Update Speculation thread

Tbh hopper remaster

 

If they remaster the Hopper I hope the make it less like a Jeep and more Japanese. Right now the Hopper just looks American but I think having an ‘80s Japanese all terrain vehicle would be way cooler and fit BeamNG more

 

Please yes, I want a Hopper GTz based on the Pajero Evolution

 

I feel it could be called the Hopper FR Turbo, to be congruent with the Covet's nomenclature. That is, if they remaster the Hopper.

 

I still think that the Hopper should be rebadged as a Bruckell, though.

 

Ok now I realize that sounds dumb because the Pajero Evo wasn't turbo'ed so the name makes zero sense

 

As in, make another Pessima in between the two? In the near future, likely no. We already have three transverse FWD mid-size sedans from the '80s and '90s (Pessimas and LeGran) - I doubt they'd make a fourth one before they make vehicles for more commonly-requested (and vehicle-lacking) segments.

Also, potentially, the "Mk1" and "Mk2" Pessimas would be the Mk3 and Mk5, since they used to carry the chassis codes "VM301" and "VM501" for a very brief period a few years back. I doubt those codes still apply anymore, but it would make sense that the "Mk1" Pessima is likely not the first Pessima. All the other transverse-FWD Japanese mid-size sedans that got sold in the US in the late-1980s had their nameplate introductions in the '60s, '70s and early '80s (Camry in 1982 (Celica Camry in 1979), Accord in 1976, Galant in '69, 626 in 1970, Maxima in 1981).

Only the Subaru Legacy started its production in the late-1980s (1989). However, that's a fairly different vehicle mechanically from the rest (and the Pessimas), being longitudinal front-engine and using boxer engines.

Honestly, I think that's the issue with Ibishu in general - it's got five vehicles that are very well-connected (the Covet, Miramar, Pessimas, and BX all have GTZ variants, ~2.0L DOHC inline-fours as options, unibodies, and share trim names like DX, LX, Type-L, and Type-LS (Luxe is the LX equivalent for the Miramar)), and then three others that feel like they're from different companies.

Granted, that does happen IRL with Japanese companies (see: Mitsubishi making a Jeep, the GTO/3000GT, the Galant, the Mirage, and the Minica Toppo at the same time in the '90s), but even in that instance, you could get the Mitsubishi Jeep with various Mitsubishi engines (like the 4G53 (2.4L SOHC inline-four) and 4DR5 (2.7L OHV diesel inline-four).

I think that's what bothers me the most about the Hopper - there's no shared engines between it and the other four-wheeled Ibishus. With the Pigeon/Wigeon, I can understand them not sharing any parts with the main five - but the Hopper? I think that could easily get the new 2.4L inline-four from the BX as a Japanese-market engine, and if we're going to make a mad AWD GTZ variant out of it...

...then perhaps the V6 out of the '96 Pessima for that thing? That's quite a stout engine, and could easily fit in the Hopper's engine bay (considering the larger Gavril V8s can). Although, the devs would probably want to save on development time and just slap a turbo on the 2.4L inline-four. Which would be perfectly fine by me. (Also, GTZ versions of the Pigeon and Wigeon would be quite funny - a Wigeon GTZ with a turbo and 60 hp would honestly be a great little sporting machine.)

I don't think that a high-performance Hopper would be RWD, considering none of the other factory Hoppers are. And I feel like the Hopper is at least deserving of a refresh - it's over 8 years old and feels rather lacking in content compared to the Gavril light trucks or the Stambecco.

 

And now that you mention it, a lore-friendly Subaru Legacy/Liberty would be great to see.

 

No just a facelift of the Mrk 1 Pessima.

 

That does have precedence IRL - both the third-gen Maxima (1988-94) and sixth-gen Galant (1987-94) had minor facelifts in 1991, while the fourth-gen Maxima started its production in 1995. Honestly, moving the '96 Pessima's production start year to 1995 and extending the '88 Pessima's to '94 could work quite nicely in filling that gap without having to have a third Pessima in the middle.

It wouldn't be the first time that a vehicle's production years have been moved back without an accompanying pre-facelift version - the H-Series used to have its production start in 1995, and the Pigeon's production used to start in 1982.

 

Huh, I had a feeling that the '88 wasn't the first gen, but I'd just assumed it to be the second. Thanks for that tidbit.

 

Exactly what should happen

 

In my opinion this is actually more of a good thing. In my headcanon Ibishu is the mass-market brand making its money off economy cars (Toyota, Nissan), whereas Hirochi’s heavy-industry/engineering background (Mitsubishi, Subaru) allows it to appeal to more non-traditional market segments (and ATVs and pianos).

In essence it’s okay for the Hopper to be so distinct, because it exists in a vacuum; it wouldn’t realistically be the only SUV/truck made by Ibishu, but it’s the only one we have to base our perception on.

 

i want the hopper to be more like the suzuki samurai

 

When do the teasers drop?

 

I think they usually drop 1:00 where I am and it is currently 12:00

 

Makes sense. Currently 11 here so ill have something to look forward to seeing at lunch. im hungry for teasers and a good sandwich

 

Haha it's the middle of the night for me lol. And a Wednesday

Last teaser was posted at 1:30 in my time so probably similar-ish if there is a teaser.

 

grand marshall limo confirmed

 

Yep. I knew it the moment I saw the headlight in the video.