Update Speculation thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by crazikyle, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. waboll

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    well roamer is broken because texture in the game got messed around with so its nothing weird they broke but the moonhawk works fine
     
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  2. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    So, to change the subject again. I was thinking about career mode and what possible starter cars could be. My idea, at this point, is pretty simple: take any car with a derby-racer config (or multiple, in the case of the LeGran), figure out what factory config it's based on, then remove any hubcaps, hit it with an old-paint skin, and replace bias-ply tires with radials because seriously, the only people who still use bias-ply tires in 2021 are nut-and-bolt restorers.

    There's one big problem with that, though. It's called the Ibishu 200BX. To get an idea of what I'm talking about, here's the starter-car list I came up with:

    Ibishu 200BX (5MT)
    Gavril Barstow 232 I6 (4MT) [substitute 175/65R14 Standard tires]
    Gavril Bluebuck 232 I6 (4-door sedan, 3MT) [substitute 175/65R14 Standard tires]
    Ibishu Covet 1.5 DX (4MT)
    Gavril Grand Marshal Fleet (4AT) {"The Miserable" comes with a police livery and spotlights, but is in all other respects a base model.}
    Bruckell LeGran Regulier (sedan, late, 4MT)
    Bruckell LeGran S V6 (wagon, early, 3AT) {There is no S V6 wagon included in vanilla content, but "The Objectionable" appears to be one. It's also 4MT, but I decided to call that non-factory.}
    Bruckell Moonhawk I6 (early, 3MT) [substitute 205/75R15 Standard tires]
    Ibishu Pessima 1.8 DX (5MT)
    Soliad Wendover 3300 (early, 3AT) {"The Unpunctual" is 4MT, but given that the Wendover ended up being more Cadillac than Pontiac, I'm going to call that a non-factory installation.}
    Gavril D35 V8 (RC/SB, mid, 4AT) {Non-vanilla configuration, but the front axle, frame, and engine tell me it's what "The Disappointment" is, making the short bed the most suspect part.}
    Gavril H15 (4AT)
    Gavril Roamer V8 (early, 4AT) {Heavy-frame shenanigans with "The Horrendous", but it's not an LXT35 so I'm going to ignore that.}

    After laps around Hirochi Raceway's long course, the first thing that sticks out to me (other than not having a D15 anywhere) is that that even the base-model 200BX, stock for stock, is head and shoulders above pretty much all of these cars. It's also faster than higher trim levels like the Wendover SE 4400, Pessima LX 2.0, and Grand Marshal Police Package. Basically every car on this list requires a higher trim level to get close to the base-model 200BX, and switching to an automatic transmission barely slows it down despite making it several million times more annoying to drive. The Barstow seems to be the closest with a 291-2bbl and radials being mostly sufficient; the others require much higher-level hardware to bring them to parity. In particular, no H-series is ever going to match it without serious upgrades.

    The next thing that sticks out to me is that nearly other car on that list comes with some sort of down-the-line sacrifice - some sort of built-in failing that will require swapping major components, such as engines, gearboxes, or suspensions, to be competitive in the endgame. The Barstow, Bluebuck, and Moonhawk all come with garbage I6 engines, which currently have no tuning other than derby exhausts and nitrous. Most of the modern Gavrils have the 4.5L V8; the one that doesn't is saddled with a heavy frame and beam-axle front end so it will never be good for much except smashing cops out of the way. The Covet has the useless single-cam engine, and that gearbox has a big step between first and second which, when combined with the gutless engine, makes certain low-speed corners utterly heinous. If you want a LeGran, you have a choice between the garbage version of the I4 (which also suffers from the same gearbox issue as the Covet) and the garbage version of the V6. The Pessima has, again, the engine no one will want. The Wendover is just dog slow with the same "lesser" V6 as the LeGran wagon. If the devs felt like making upgrading more complex, you could possibly stick with the original hardware - at the price of having a more expensive upgrade path with less to show for it in the end.

    The 200BX, meanwhile, comes with none of those sacrifices. There's only one engine available, and it's a perfectly capable tuning platform. There's only one suspension setup available, and it obviously does well enough in the curves to more than make up for any lack of power. Picking the 200BX as your starter would just be easy mode, straight up. That car, as it came, would be able to carry you all the way into the endgame with no swaps or conversions.

    So, this is more of a suggestion than a speculation, but when the 200BX gets remastered, it needs a lower-end version to make it a little more even with the game's other old-paint-skin-having cars. A 180BX, or even a 150BX. Maybe give it a targa/T-top or convertible version, to make it heavier. I don't care if this isn't perfectly realistic. Call it an entry-level version that didn't sell well, or say it was aimed at developing markets. Something like that, rather than allow it to become the early-game OP car with no reason to ever choose anything else.
     
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  3. Franz027

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    Ok. Thanks
     
  4. robert357

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    Yes, you are right. This is a little wasted setting but I don't see why this should be the reason to expand that map into another cramped setting. Well, maybe the ETK Experience Center could be turned into racetrack with that facility next to it. However remember, ETKEC is 1x1 that means it would take 1/4 space on, still small, 2x2 map. I'll just mention that gruelling race course in the world would take all that 2x2 space placed diagonally.


    Nah, I didn't want to sound rude or mean. So I'm sorry if that sounded wrong or vulgar.


    Well yes. And before someone ask - for me this medicore (or in better words, a map that has potential) is WCUSA. I like the track, I like the highways, I like the city... but because there are a lot of stuff it doesn't feel right and too clustered. In comparison ECUSA and Utah are much better in my opinion.


    I would love to see big maps like in GTA, Horizon, Fuel, TDU etc. Too bad Beamng don't run on engine that allow this so you need keep that in mind :) That why I show example on Snowrunner. If you can't do something in the game because of the engine limitations you have few options: change engine or try do it differently. In our case changing engine is not a option. Just imagine how GTA3 or VC would look like if they decide to "hey, why we don't just shrink whole map so we won't have loading zones".
     
  5. esesel

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    ETK test center reimagined as a 4x4 map, would really open up possibilities...
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  6. Franz027

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    And the highway? What do u suggest? References?
    Btw, i totally agree with you. And these photos are amazing! ^_^
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    Guys, how can i make Wet roads and more realistic clouds?
     
  7. esesel

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    normal 3 lane highway, im from austria im guessing that german highways are quite similar (except for speed limit ofc). it could be a rumbly hitler concrete autobahn, but im not a fan I imagine its quite annoying. This one would be almost 5 km long and quite straight and flat due too the tunnel. realistically there would be a speed limit because of the tunnel but where is the fun in that. Either way it great for top speed runs;)
     
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  8. Franz027

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    Yes ^^. This is amazing
     
  9. Softair

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    The highway could have a few slight bends just to extend it, for more speed :) It already has over 5,5 km, but this could extend it to a nice 6-7.
     
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  10. Formula24

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    I made something similar to this a while back with the idea that the map become something like a 8x8.
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    Legend :
    Dark blue : Autobahn style highway
    Brown : Forest trails that also double up as service roads to the big race track and a mix of asphalt and dirt rally stages with some small villages scattered around near them similar to Italy.
    Red : Large village on a mountain inside walls with castle near the top, similar to the actual city of Nurburg.
    Dark Grey : Long winding track famous for its 24Hr race and dangerous past. Now used a testing track for many modern manufactures to prove their track worthiness (maybe have a whole bunch of little manufacture garages, as well as aftermarket brand garages testing there newest parts) . Also includes a more modern GP style circuit.
    Lime Green : Heavily wooded area, would be a nice place to hide some secret easter eggs.
    Dark Green : An expanded ETK test center with a larger handling track, offroad trails, high speed banked circuit, suspension testing area with off camber corners, old cobblestone roads, large potholes and other hazards you might find on the road and usage of some of the new props we got as the tilting platform that already has ETK branding.
    Light blue : Lake and rivers
     
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  11. Franz027

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    Nice this too!
     
  12. ManfredE3

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  13. ~>Sil80!

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    kinda meant more minor dents like when rocks kick up but i think i am asking way too much lol
     
  14. Nissan Skyline

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    Has it really been two and a half years since the devs mentioned the UI 2.0? Wow, didn't realize it was that long ago. I would assume it is nearly complete or already complete at this point, given the amount of time it has been since it was first mentioned. I have a feeling the new UI is somehow integrated with the career mode, and once the career mode update comes out, so will the new UI. I do think the new UI will be in the style of the current loading screens, those have a unique style compared to the rest of the UI, and were the most recent UI update. (I believe the new loading screens came out around the time the new UI was announced, but I could be wrong on that.)
     
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  15. vmlinuz

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    Aw man
     
  16. jonthefuzz

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    that was my point, just be a patient pickle and stop asking witch one is next.
     
  17. n0ckboi

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  18. XR8guy

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    if the bolide gets a group b version it could also get a group 5 version to sit above the group 4 version. the years line up with the last 2 years of group 5 (81-82) and there are also similar cars in both events (ferrari 308 & lancia stratos)
     
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  19. PetrKn0ttDrift

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    This is a great chance to make something similar to these 80s and 90ish Lancia rally cars:
     

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  20. Jakux

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    *Dealy Deadly Arrow intensifies*
     
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