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Update Speculation thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by crazikyle, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. Jakux

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    Okay, this is what I think about these:
    1. Eh. probably none of these can be for 0.22; maybe, very small maybe for 0.23
    2. No
    3.Nope. We have plenty of European maps on forums or repository
    4.Could be. Seems realistic enough tho
    5.On almost every bigger update we have more wheels. So this one is 80% possible
     
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  2. Franz027

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    Thank u. But do u think that one of these is a good idea? If yes, what do you prefer?
     
  3. ClassicMike

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    this is update speculation, not "features i want in game plzzz"
     
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  4. KrukasKlep

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    Go read this thread a couple of pages back with what we have. Then you might understand what will be in the future updates. o_O
     
  5. devilboy662

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    So far I think that 0.22 might have, Legan remaster (Including Wagon 4x4 varient and Soliad Wendover) or H-series remaster.
     
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  6. Harkin Labs Gaming

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    I'm excited to see a remaster of the LeGran as its my favorite car in game. It might be replaced as my favorite by the Soliad when it is released, but both will be great. The LeGran really needs a remaster imo, as the interior and engine details aren't up to par with the newer vehicles and remasters. I wonder if we will see any other body styles with the remaster other than the wagon. Having a coupe would be realistic but also overlap with the Wendover, so I am not sure if it would happen.
     
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  7. CaptainZoll

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    considering the relatively large amount of work involved in silouette-changing bodystyles, and to prevent more needless overlap with the wendover, i'd imagine they will likely stick to the sedan and wagon for the legran.
     
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  8. YellowRusty

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    With evidence that there may be a wagon and a four-wheel drive version of the Legran in the works, and the Soliad Wendover is coming, we know that the dev team is remastering and creating new parts for the shared components.

    The question is, could we be seeing the same pattern as the ongoing remastering of the Gavril lineup, where the team gets the groundwork ready before introducing some large new changes? And if so, just what sort of big changes could we be looking at?

    AWD and a new bodystyle are already big changes, but the components common to both and them could underpin a whole line of vehicles.



    By way of example, The Dodge Aries (K-car, in the same archetype as the Legran) shared its engines with the first-gen Dodge Caravan. Both shared an I4 engine with the Dodge Omni (both the 5-door hatch and the 3-door 024 fastback). In turn, those shared a full platform with the Dodge Rampage, one of very few FWD ute-type pickups.




    Admittedly, that last one is a bit of a stretch. But I also can't find much in the way of 'sporty' FWD 4-doors in the K-platform derivatives, and the characteristics of the Wendover that we do know don't match up with the Chyrsler Lebaron, or even its GTS version. With that stretch, could a further stretch be made to use the Wendover's platform for a truck?

    I know that wouldn't be go over well with players who feel we already have too many eighties cars in the game, but it would be a route to adding lots of vehicles that aren't sedans or three-box coupes to the game, and it would bolster the hatchback, van, and truck count. Could this be something in the works?
     
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  9. ManfredE3

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    I've been saying for awhile now, Bruckell desperately needs more content and the platforms they already have are incredibly high in potential content yet have nearly nothing in game. The LeGran has optional half-landau top and a spoiler/luggage rack combo, the Moonhawk has the option of square vs round headlights and a front bumper delete, and that's about it...

    Between the LeGran and the Wendover we have a lot of donor parts for other 1980's vehicles. Of course seeing even more 1980's cars when the current roster is dominated by that era isn't ideal, but the fact is there are some very interesting options that cover highly requested segments that just are not covered at all currently, and since they borrow a lot from existing vehicles they would take less resources than a ground up new platform. For example, why bother with a ground up new minivan when we already have one that is comparable to platforms historically used for minivans?

    As Rusty said above, a minivan and FWD minitruck would both borrow heavily from cars already in game. A SWB liftback/hatchback is actually covered by multiple IRL counterparts: Not only the k-car platform connection, but also through the liftback AMC Eagle since it looks like we are getting a LeGran based analog to the 5 door Eagle. There was also a K-Car based stretch limo (Chrysler Executive), which is another big omission in our lineup. Any of these would be major projects so I don't expect to see any alongside the LeGran updates for 0.22, but they are interesting options that I think deserve to be considered someday.

    As for the coupe discussion... All contemporary GM A-Bodies (for at least some of their model years) and most comparable K-Cars had a 2 door coupe option. It would be a simpler change than the wagon is, and combined with the transfer case and factory lifted suspension already partially in game there would be limited overlap with the big boaty Wendover.

    As for other things we could see with the LeGran additions:

    We could see some ties to the Moonhawk. The Moonhawk and LeGran are both mid-sized high volume Bruckells that are comparable to vehicles in the Oldsmobile Cutlass family, so seeing some ties to each other makes sense. There is interesting potential here with that transfer case, but that's getting into the platform cousin discussion which is too speculative to be actually worth discussing right now.

    This update should finally give us a proper Bruckell performance line. The Gavril remasters did a lot of work to the RS lineup, so hopefully the LeGran will see analogous introductions. There were some interesting performance/special editions of counterpart cars, a body kit is likely if we do see this.

    A diesel V6, sunroof, and woody wagon are all possible. A minor face lift is an option, just throw on a different grille/lights and call it a day.
     
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  10. P_enta

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    yeah devs chill with ibishu and gavril there’s other brands and time periods too
     
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  11. fender_yeeting

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    i do think they should stop and think for a min like its not just gravil its other brands too man
     
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  12. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    I think, when the Moonhawk gets remastered, LeGran should be a trim level for it with even softer suspension, fancy hubcaps, a vinyl or half-vinyl top, and silly-looking opera windows. Since the devs have shown via the incoming LeGran wagon that they are now willing to include silhouette-changing bodystyles as vanilla content, the sedans, wagons, and utes that AR162b once made could all have the potential to reappear here.
     
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  13. devilboy662

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    Bruckell as a whole has recived basically no attention (except bug fixes and small changes) from the devs since the LeGran was added, basically every other brand has had changes to the cars in game.
     
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  14. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    I think, when the Moonhawk gets remastered, LeGran should be a trim level for it with even softer suspension, fancy hubcaps, a vinyl or half-vinyl top, and silly-looking opera windows. Since the devs have shown via the incoming LeGran wagon that they are now willing to include silhouette-changing bodystyles as vanilla content, the sedans, wagons, and utes that AR162b once made could all have the potential to reappear here.
     
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  15. CaptainZoll

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    as i've said before, i also hope the facelift sport configs on the moonhawk get whittled down to one pathetically slow, tacky appearance package, akin to a mustang ii king cobra or pontiac trans am,
    I also wonder if they plan to make a king cobra/firebird skin with the "hawk" on the hood, like the powerglow skin has.
    as for the rest of the facelift trims, i wouln't be surprised if they intend to replace the sport configs with some kind of "personal luxury coupes", perhaps even named "legran"
     
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  16. YellowRusty

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    I'm on board with the idea of the facelifted Moonhawk being strangled by emissions control devices, and the appearance packages getting louder and tackier (that was sort of the case for every American performance car in those hopeless years), and even the Moonhawk getting a vinyl top, though I'd hope for a full top. The hawk decal on the hood would be another great thing to have.

    What I'm not so sure about is trying to tie the Moonhawk to the Legran via a special trim of the Moonhawk. There's an awful lot that seperates the Moonhawk from the Legran - the powertrain layout, the target market, the dimensions of the car, the number of doors, etc. It strikes me as really unlikely that a trim of a seventies performance coupe, even one with personal luxury options, could become the name of a pedestrian commuter sedan, even in the increasingly desperate early eighties.

    But nothing is really as significant as the fact that sometime between 1978 and 1984, Bruckell's logo changed. When a company undergoes a rebranding that severe, it usually indicates some sort of major shift in marketing strategy, some reinvention of the corporate identity. Things like trims and even models (barring especially storied nameplates) don't generally survive shakeups like that.

    I really do think that the only way they'll ever be tied together will be if a vehicle produced between the end of Moonhawk production and the start of Legran production surfaces.



    If/when it does, I imagine it would be something like the second-gen 1980 Dodge Diplomat, with a tall, narrow grille like the Legran's emerging from an lower, wider grille like the Moonhawk's. That would do a lot to make the necessary bridging of styling. Come to think of it, that's actually not far off from what AR162b originally did to facelift the Moonhawk, but I can't see the same bodystyle lasting all the way to say, 1983 on a passenger car body.

    I do think the eventual appearance of a late seventies/early eighties RWD american sedan suitable for police work would be a really cool thing to have in-game, but that's a project that should probably wait a while until other, more pressing archetypes are filled.
     
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  17. 88c900t

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    I think the moonhawk could use a middle engine option, because 250ci and 3
    There was proof they're doing a wagon model?

    It would make a great basis for a minivan, especially if AWD gets added.

    Backdated, boxier version of the Grand Marshal? 84-90 with either a carb or throttle body injection and perhaps a 3 speed auto instead of 4.

    I think the moonhawk could use a middle engine option, because 250ci and 378ci is a big gulf in engine sizes.
     
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  18. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Oh, that's the other thing I forgot.

    Except for the Special trim being pre-facelift only, the Moonhawk lineup currently contains no acknowledgement of emissions standards changing during its run. A 1973 has the same underpowered V8 as a 1978, and a 1978 has the same overpowered I6 as a 1973.

    Having the engine outputs decrease as the years go on would go a long way to making the Moonhawk lineup more authentic.

    As to why I thought LeGran should start off as a Moonhawk trim, I was mostly going off how sometimes a model in the late 1970s or early 1980s would have started as a trim level (or something like it) before that. The Chevrolet Malibu, for example, spent its first three generations as a trim level of Chevelle, until the entire Chevelle range was renamed to Malibu during the downsizing rush of the late 1970s. It then went dormant for nearly 15 years before resurfacing as a nothing-special FWD sedan, which it remains to this day. The Chevrolet Caprice started as an upscale variant of the Impala, but then in the 1970s and 1980s it slowly took over as Chevrolet's main full-size competitor until the Impala was discontinued completely in 1985. (The Impala nameplate lasted longer in the end, but on a car having little to do with the original form of either.)

    Now granted, that's just two examples, but I only looked at one brand from one manufacturer. Unless I'm mistaken, a lot of nameplate shuffling went on during the Great Downsize, and since, unless I'm mistaken, the Moonhawk and LeGran are both mid-size by the standards of their decades...

    The engine sizes are another thing; how does the Moonhawk have only one size of I6 and one size of V8? Especially a V8 that's stuck in the middle somewhere between a small-block and a big-block (AFAIK only Chrysler had an engine like that during the 1970s).
     
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  19. Agent_Y

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    The Moonhawk also needs a proper police version apart from the Detective, with a skin, push bars (both front and rear for variety), antenna, spotlights and maybe a unique light bar inspired by the era it's from, maybe it could even get flashing turn signals when the light bar is on like the car haulers now have. And obviously the facelift is lacking changes compared to the pre-facelift in this car, I hope they change this too.
     
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  20. Harkin Labs Gaming

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    That wouldn't work imo because police cars are usually sedans. If we got a sedan bodystyle, I would agree that it definitely needs a police config with all of the extras present on the other police cars.
     
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