I'm a bit worried about the actual playabilty of BeamNG.

@Mumia76

Its pointless to buy the best most expensive hardware because of the performance/value bit, but its not pointless to rebuy your hardware every 6 month to be able to play on max settings?

Logic is failing.

 

Somehow I think purchasing a constant stream of hardware is more expensive in the long run than buying something with the future in mind. I'm sitting here with an ATI Radeon HD5870, and an AMD phenom X6 processor and neither component seems to be in a position where it's going to be obsolete anytime in the immediate future. as long as you buy with the future in mind I don't see what the point of the argument is. If you need a budget computer to tide you over until you're in a position to afford something mental then you're best off buying to suit your budget, if you can go mental then you're free to splash out.

Just make sure you build your own or get someone you trust to build one for you because you always get more bang for your buck. I mean, I'm not a massive expert on hardware and the computer I have now is the first one I've ever built. But its easy to do, its easy to find hardware from reputable companies. You should start recognizing companies like Asus, nVida, ATI, intel and amd, western digital etc. You should have a vague idea of what the numbers in the specifications are for and work out a vague estimation of the performance to price ratio. if not, ask a friend.

After a few days picking out a system it didn't take long to collect all the parts and it took me an hour to assemble and its basically a weird Lego kit with some wires to plug in. the only advice that anyone can recommend that shouldn't earn controversy is that you do not buy prebuilt from a company like Dell, or acer. If you're really stunted when it comes to computers, everyone has that nerdy friend they can ask.

 

Well actually you might just arrived at the time when the 5800 series is no longer viable. I bought an 5850 soon after it came out. And it was ok until now. But seriosly why is it so hard to comprehend that I was speaking of the past? Everyone seems to ignore that bit of very important context.

It's maybe my failing. But if I can buy something for $200 that performs at 80% of what I can buy for $500 I 'd go for the 200 one every time without hesitation.

I bought a Pentium II when it first came out, it was hiend, and I sold it for 15% of the original price a little over a year later. I wouldn't say it was good investment. I also bought one of the first Radeon video cards that came into the country. And I replaced it in 6 months. (I admit it wasn't obsolete there were other reasons behind that) That was my learning curve.

But everyone does what they want. This is a forum to write your opinions. There is no right or wrong here, there is no need for all this hostility just because we disagree on how often one should've replaced hardware in 1999 or whatever year.

What's more expensive? Buying something for 500 using it for a year or buying something for 200 and using it for half a year ? And also selling 6 months old hardware is much easier than selling a year old hardware. So you get a larger portion of your money back.

 

@ Mumia76.
Are we putting random numbers up and doing math with it now?

You buy for 200 twice a year, I buy for 500 every second year.
See, I can do it too.

 

But you said in one of your other posts that big companies like dell use "the exact same" parts that are used in a home build. You forget, or choose to ignore, that companies like dell use some of the cheapest parts they can as to keep their costs down. The motherboard that would go in to a comparable dell, would not go into a similar home built machine that I choose the parts in as the parts around the northbridge and soundbridge are that much different. Cooling capacity, PCIE slots/speed, MOSFET cooling, and so on.

Your comparison is wrong. You can use a medium-end computer to play video games, you can not use a hedge trimmer to cut the grass. If you want, you should be comparing a manual push mower to a power riding mower. Both will do the job, but one will do it better.

The crashing cars was an analogy that went over your head.

No, Crysis isn't the only exception. Crysis was made for the PC well before it was ever released onto the Xbox. Released on the PC November of 2007, released on the Xbox October of 2011. That's 4 years.

So you're saying specific modifications for a game on a specific platform isn't tailoring the game towards that platform? Next you're going to say that putting an SSD in a computer isn't really upgrading it. Adding new/improved features for a specific platform IS tailoring, doesn't matter how much effort was put into it.

And yeah, Max Payne 3 can run on lower end hardware, but you have to turn down the graphical settings. You need a pretty strong computer to play with max graphics and high resolutions.

With Max Payne 3 they increased the texture resolutions, added more options for AA/AF and higher bitrate audio. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-max-payne-3-pc-tech-comparison good read for more info.

That's my opinion, you shouldn't post misleading/wrong information.

I wouldn't call 113 titles "very short". You said "You can'T port a PC game to a console simply because you'd have to throw out features". You made no mention of these exceptions that you're now throwing out. If you're going to state something as absurd as "You can't port PC games to consoles", at least make it clear what you mean from the beginning, not after someone questions your broken logic.

What titles on that list are fictional?

With that logic it's pointless to buy any hardware because it all loses value quickly. A PC is never a financially smart purchase because they neverretain their value. But with that stated, you don't buy computers because of how their value will hold over the years. You buy a computer based on your needs and the amount of money you can spend. If you have the ability to purchase a $600 dual GPU card, why not?

It's called a typo. Ever heard of em? Relax

9800 came out in 2003. 10 years ago.

Coming from the person that thinks spending money on a high end/expensive card is stupid/wasteful/pointless/whatever you think, that's pretty funny.

But this is about computer parts.

Surpassed is definitely a better word. Hard to tell english isn't your primary language when reading your posts, you fooled me. And no that's not sarcasm, your english is quite good.

So it's basically the "hardcore gamer" thinking coming out. It's not the settings that matter, its how the game looks. I've seen games on low graphics look damn good. Max Payne is another good example of that.

If I can run a game on max, awesome. If not, well as long as the game still looks good.

Indeed.

It is indeed more expensive to purchase a constant stream of mid-range parts than it is to buy high-end. And I agree with what you say. You spend what you can, if you can only afford $800, then that's all you can spend. But if you can afford a $3000 PC, why not go for it?

 

[SUB]i have 512 mb ram do i have a chance in hell?[/SUB]

 

To put it simply, No.

 

I agree completely.

512MB pc ram? Not a chance

512MB graphics card ram? Yeah

 

You mean the GTX 560 TI? ^^

The GTX 560 was basically just a rebrand of the old 460.

 

Hmm, weird. I remember I did some heavy research before I bought mine whiere the GTX 560 TI was more for the buck though? I think the normal nvidia 560 vs 560ti was close, but the aftermarket brands such as Asus and EVGA did really nice stuff with the TI, so in the end it surpassed it.

The GTX 560 TI had more SPUs, and TAUs. And it was easier to overclock further.

 

Of course I meant that they use the same main components, I didn't mean they use the same capacitors, or voltage staibiser circuits or cooling components. I even said elsewhere that they like to use cheapo components, but it seems you like to take words out of context. There is no way I can defend myself against that. You can choose anything and make it look like stupid if you take it out of context. Basically we're saying the same fracking thing and you still want to fight me on it. Settle down please.

My analogy is still much more relevant than your car crashing analogy.

Yes I know crysis was made for the pc. I admit I made a pure choice of words when I said outright that pc games cannot be ported to consoles. What I meant is that they cannot be ported without serious sacrifices. Removing graphics and/or gameplay features, lower quality textures, lower resolution etc. That's why most games today are made to be console friendly And that's why they don't use the pc's resources to the maximum.

I could play at max settings, and I don't consider my computer as high end anymore.

AA and AF, and resolution are not really tailoring. They are given benefits on the pc, since you can set the resolution of any game, and you can force any method of AA and AF from driver.

That was never my intention

Compared to all the titles released in the past 20 years its a very short list indeed. For example I never heard of Doom4.

That's true enough, just makes sense to minimize losses.

It was announced on the 6th of march, and was only avaialable to buy later in the year. so as I've written strictly speaking it's newer than 10 years

I know that, you were the one who accused my of saying that "everything gets outdated"

Well thanks I guess.

No it's the maximalist thinking, I don't consider myself as a hardcore gamer.

Unfortunately Crysis 3 looks crap on low. And its still very slow on my 5850.

Because its overkill? Maybe as an experiment its good but I'd hate myself for it.

Depends what you count as a monster pc. My work pc costs more than $5000, I'd never buy something like that for home use. That's more money I've spent on my home pcs (yes multiple) in the last 10 years. And there is no computer that you can use for 10 years.

 

HOLY QUOTES.

Referring to one of the first posts, I guess the server is the one that handles physics and the client just renders it, so if you're playing multiplayer you should be fine even with a single core(if it makes a difference)... Unless it's different

 

Wait, what? Wasn't this thread deleted? I couldn't find it. 0.o

 

No, it was just a few threads down xD
Didnt realise it's been 16 days, but not really that much of a bump, the thread wasnt even the 10th from top