General computer talk/advice

Especially R9 280X's.....

 

You mad nub? You'll step up to the big leagues one day. Being a kid sucks I know?
Waaa he insulted my budget friendly mid range card for calling him out on what is widely accepted as a known truth. The software isn't up to snuff.

 

As a software developer, I can assure you, there's no such thing as good software. You can try as hard as you want. It'll still suck.

You wrote nice code? Your platform sucks. You're using a good platform? Yeah, good luck writing good code in C, let alone ASM. You might think your code is good, in reality it's only slightly less shitty than everybody else's.

Consoles have, and I say this as a PC gamer who absolutely despises consoles, a more efficient API because developing for less hardware is easier, so the code is less shit.

Still don't believe me? Look at an iPhone's specs. On paper, it's absolutely pathetic. However the OS and basic apps perform as well as flagship Android devices with much better hardware (demanding apps will perform worse because of the worse hardware). Why? Well, same reason consoles can do more than PCs with similar hardware. Apple has to develop iOS for about 10 devices, all made by themselves, counting old hardware that's still getting updates. Android has to work in thousands of different devices, new, old, and future, from hundreds of OEMs. They don't know their hardware and can't optimise the system for it, it has to run on everything.

 

Sure I agree with all of that, but at a certain point the answer can't keep being faster hardware better hardware newer hardware. Writing it less than half the battle. Good luck getting these guys to adopt anything.
This all encompassing problem with getting effciency out of hardware isn't going anywere. We got this far in computer science so I have faith the exalted programmers out there can figure it out. Try this on for size "directx: the less sucky version"

 

I'm pretty sure developers at Nvidia, AMD, Microsoft and Khronos are all doing their best to make the most out of existing and upcoming hardware. There really isn't much you can do without starting from scratch, and nobody wants to do that.

 

I never said it was going to be easy and I don't think one outfit can do it. Imagine if amd went to Nvidia with mantel and said let's go all in on this together and we both reap the benefits. Unlikely story. Low level access for all is far away but I do think it will reach a tipping point. If they package it into tools that make a 3 year game take 18 months to make everyone will go along with it. A multi pronged approach is needed for a problem of this complexity and everybody has to chip in.

 

right, let me just clear a few things up here

i never once said that the software side of things isn't shit, if that's what my post implied, then i apologize, the software side of things most certainly is shit, but my post was pointing out that you're comparing consoles (of which there's 4 sets of hardware (5 if including the wii u) to optimise for) with computers (of which there's all sorts of different possible combinations, and these numbers are most certainly going to be including laptop computers, which have their own set of possible hardware combinations (excluding the uber expensive laptops that you can get desktop cpu's and gpus on)) and seemed to be trying to claim that since devs can get the consoles as well optimised as they do that they should be able to do the same for computers,(once again, if you weren't trying to say that, then again, i apologize for not properly understanding what you're trying to say) but i most certainly did not mean to imply that the software wasn't shit.

on to the second thing: the insult, my problem wasn't that you insulted, it was the specific insult you used, as maybe i read it wrong, but to me that specific insult implies that your saying that the gtx 750 ti is only powerful enough for something like minesweeper, when in fact it's known to be the best budget card you can currently get, as most games (if properly optimised) can easily get AT LEAST medium settings with around 60 fps at 1080p (in some games you might even be able to get high at 30-45, or 45-60 fps, or in the case of gta v, even 4K with all the other settings at low with 30FPS)

on the age/who paid for it remark, i'm actually 17, and i paid for just slightly over half of the price it costed at the time of purchase ($109.99, i paid for $59 of it, assuming my math is correct, half of $109.99 is $55 (rounded to the nearest dollar))

that being said though, this seems widely immature/elitist:

might want to look into changing that part of your post

also

the day nvidia works WITH amd is the day hell freezes over, pigs fly, etc, etc

 

Pretty sure they have done that before on a few technologies directly and indirectly and they still do by making alot of their technologies open source, thing is Nvidia dominates the video card market and have no issues with just releasing their own closed software for their own ecosystem and no one seems to mind.

 

Lol this is the beamng forums buddy. Don't take it too seriously. I happen to be like most of the nerds here and have built several computers over the years starting in 2004 with a system that ran half life 2 on medium. My first gpu was configured for 256 megs of video ram but only had 128 on board and it got the other half from my 512 system memory. The assumption that I don't know anything because I made a minesweeper joke about your admittedly well priced 750ti is a stretch. Kudos to you tho, when I was 17 I was getting hi and racing my stock ass civic for fun. Enjoy these years while they last. And for the record I could care less if this is off topic.

 

right, i guess we might get this thread back on-topic:

IT'S HERE



ANYTHING OTHER THAN LOW SETTINGS HERE I COME

 

Yeah, that's pretty good. A universe and a half ahead of the pentium you were going with before. Ask Bluescreen for advice if you need it, I don't have time rn to help anyone.

EDIT: Oh, and logoster finally got the GPU. Good stuff, enjoy it while you can (before you catch a new infection to the eye, in the name of a 970)

 

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i need help with a part my cpu fan is really loud and i need a new one my processor is a AMD Fx 8350 Unlocked black edition i need help with picking a nice but cheap one any help will be appreciated

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099&cm_re=212_evo-_-35-103-099-_-Product

 

wanting to put build in ibm pc 300gl rising

 

Is that a 15" 4:3 monitor?

... Nevermind, didn't read the image.

 

yes

 

No. It's 5:4.

 

yes, i know, didn't notice that he said 4:3 until you pointed it out

of course, it's close enough that IMO it really doesn't matter.

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so, my using a 5:4 1280x1024 monitor did it seems make a good enough difference, in that i have no trouble running beamng at the high preset, 40-60FPS (only problem i've had is floating textures, and i swear i remember there was a fix, i just can't remember the fix itself)

 

Oh jeez, I can get an ATi FirePro V5900 for, like, $80 on Ebay. $160 or so when coupled with a new 750W PSU.

This is an easy, powerful way out of my compute GPU issue. Time to get a job, I guess because I'm a jobless deadbeat.