General Car Discussion

Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. MrAnnoyingDude

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    In 1989, Poland turned free-market and soon it turned out that everybody would rather import an used VW LT or Iveco Daily, or spend a bit more and get a better new van.

    It's like Japanese cars in the 70s/80s, if the others had been some 3 decades behind.
     
  2. General S'mores

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    So, that would be the reason why they ended production a few years later. But it's not surprising of how long they were built, since other vehicles like the Niva, Mustang, and Skyline (Not the GT-R lineup) have lasted for an while as well.
     
  3. MrAnnoyingDude

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    The Mustang and Skyline got changed, while the Nysa was still mostly the same frame and engine, which, in turn, was mostly a 30s Dodge truck.

    The Niva started out as a decent car, and wasn't part of a segment in which a car is used sometimes as much as 24/7, or at least 16/5.
     
  4. General S'mores

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    The only reason I mentioned the Niva because it also didn't change as much as the Mustang or Skyline.
    If I did live in socialist Poland, I might've bought one, although I would get the newer Nysa instead of the older ones.
     
  5. MrAnnoyingDude

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    You didn't buy it.

    Well, maybe unless you knew the sort of people who had contacts in a state company, since only they were given commercial vehicles.

    Whatever private industry there was mostly had to use passenger cars. Beat-to-hell-in-Germany-and-then-imported Mercedes diesels were popular for that, as well as Polish-made wagons.
     
  6. General S'mores

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    That would make sense, since it is an commercial vehicle.
    If I did use it in an job, it'd probably most likely be as an bus driver or service driver. Even if I did live in Poland today, I wouldn't use an Nysa for commercial purposes, since they do allow imports and there's much more choices. (I'd wouldn't even know if it was good or not unless I probably used a source, most likely an newspaper or a few car magazines, as it did end before the internet was released.
     
  7. MrAnnoyingDude

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    By the time there was the Internet, there were still some Nysas with owners posting on forums, but the days of that van were numbered.

    Hell, even the used imports succeeding it on Polish roads (1st gen VW LT, 1st/2nd gen Iveco Daily, Mercedes T2, early LDV Convoys, etc.) are now virtually gone, and their successors (1st gen Mercedes Sprinter/Vario, 2nd gen Fiat Ducato/Peugeot Boxer/Citroen Jumper, late LDV Convoy, 3rd gen Iveco Daily), are crusher fodder now.
     
  8. General S'mores

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    I know that vehicles do remain, even after ending production. It's surprising how much changes Polish commercial vehicles have to process with, especially that the older vehicles just are wiped off the roads later on.
     
  9. MrAnnoyingDude

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    I'm pretty sure every country scraps old commercial cars, maybe save for Cuba.
     
  10. General S'mores

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    Anyways, altering topic now to this:

    The sketches for the Escala almost looks similar, although some differences like the headlights and roof are notable.
     
  11. aljowen

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    I saw a agricultural harvester towing a Ford Transit connect through the middle of the city today. First time I have seen that happen, but not really unexpected since tractors drive through a fair amount.
     
  12. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Trying to trace the origin and rule changes of different racing classes is making my head spin. Did you know GT3 is allowed in Super GT's GT300 class now? And apparently true GT300 cars are much faster now than they were back when Gran Turismo wasn't an eSports game, but I have no idea when that started. Meanwhile GT500 cars are much more powerful now and are running turbo I4s in preparation for a DTM rule synchronization, but the two won't be fully synchronized until 2019 (and also, whoever decided that DTM should be another turbo I4 class should be brought to trial for their crimes against motorsport). GT3s are also allowed in some class of the Rolex series, but with a different wing. GT3 was itself originally assembled from a hodgepodge of single-make races and orphan cars, including Ferrari Challenge, which means it also more or less coincides with one of the SCCA's higher "touring" classes despite the latter's likely lack of BoP and focus on cars prepared by the race shops themselves rather than purchased complete. Meanwhile in rallying, Super 2000/Diesel 2000 touring cars may or may not have been a continuation of group A, and WRC cars also, but both have taken on separate lives of their own, or maybe not so separate? And then the FIA does stupid stuff like rename Group N to Group R4, then rename it again to Group NR4, and then in the latter case throw out all the homologations and ban Group R4 cars from running in their championships, despite the fact that apparently there were no major rule changes throughout all of this manure! And then sites give inconsistent and inaccurate information, and then you have a bunch of national and regional classes which come out very similar but ever so slightly different, and then you try to work in fantasy race cars from video games and things get even more complicated as I really never figured out what all the LM Race Cars from older Gran Turismos were except that the 2001 GT-R Concept's race version was a GT1 car and the Fairlady Z Concept's was aimed at the 24 Hours of Daytona, plus then you move to BeamNG and there's a Group 4 Bolide even though the Bolide started production the year Group 4 ended (I guess it could have come in on the very end) and I have no idea what some of the Track and Rally cars (especially the Moonhawk) are supposed to be.

    I'm really beginning to understand why Polyphony Digital just gave up and stuffed an old Pike's Peak car into Gr. B despite the fact that there was a real Group B version of the car in question, even though that kind of wrecks my backstory for something else which depended on that car being the Group B version, unless the rules were coincidental enough that the Audi Quattro Pike's Peak car was the same one they were running in late Group B, which is unlikely with 588 horsepower, but I guess that's necessary since the Gr. B cars in the game are significantly more powerful (at least without BoP) than even the last real-life Gr. B cars, but does that mean that the Gr. B cars in that game are actually based on old hillclimb cars rather than Group B rally cars?

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  13. JBatic

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    I got a car
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    it is a 1989 ford bronco XLT with a straight 6 and a 5 speed manual
    It needs a bit of work but is pretty good for $1700
    It came with an extra set of doors and a set of wheels/tires and it has a 4in suspension lift
     
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  14. JetPoweredMacintosh™

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    About to leave for the '18 Atlanta international auto show!
     
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  15. Michaelflat

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    Not exactly cars but i'll have a talk about buses..

    Has anyone noticed how bad the Wright Streelites are? The new buses for First bus are awful compared to predecessors, they are louder and rattlier and less comfy overall. Yeah 2014 buses that come with a 3-Speed Automatic transmission, yes you heard that right, the only thing connecting the underpowered 4 cyl diesel engine (210hp) to the wheels is a voith 3 speed auto. All based on a frame to compete with the Optare solo (shuttle bus).

    [original wheel forward layout] with, wait for it... 160hp.

    and they lengthened it and made it into the maxi



    They break down quite a bit, are underpowered and the gearbox shifts are awful.
    Here is a video showing one that wheelspinned as it changed to 2nd gear.
     
  16. General S'mores

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  17. MrAnnoyingDude

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    I don't give a damn about public transport, as long as it gets me from A to B, does not require much waiting and has a place to sit down.
     
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  18. aljowen

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    Been doing another round of car insurance searching, testing the waters more or less. Assuming I were to get a job within the next 3 months, and buy a car in that time (which is not too likely):
    All cars are 2007 models (all valued at £3500 for the sake of quotes), with 5k miles per year estimated. It would be my first year of insurance/driving and I therefore have no no claims discount.
    • Volvo C30 1.6l = £1470
    • Volvo C30 1.8l = £1440
    • Volvo C30 2.0l = £1480
    • Audi A3 2.0l = £2370
    • Honda Civic 1.8l = £1750
    All fully comprehensive (fire + theft + damage to third party cars & your own car, even if you are at fault), and a black box installed. With included courtesy car and free windscreen repairs.

    Often you see a lot of people comparing the yearly insurance costs between countries, stating that certain countries have it better than others, based purely upon price. Is it actually the case that in countries with higher insurance premiums, your insurance tends to cover more? Since its the simplest explanation as to why differences exist
     
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  19. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    So if you were to remove the fire & theft coverage, the courtesy car, the windshield repairs, and basically everything else that wasn't liability coverage, would it make up for the extra cost of more miles and no black box? Maybe it's just me, but not for any amount of money would I install a tattle box in my car.
     
  20. aljowen

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    I would rather not have one, but for the money it usually makes sense for the first year or two. Then depending on what it is like, I will probably get rid of it when premiums go down. I do need to ask around though, see what people who I know have to say about black box plans, as great as the internet is, it's not always as accurate on recent stuff relevant to only the UK. Obviously black boxes that enforce curfews are not something I would want to fit to anything that I own. The theft tracking is also a neat feature if your car is stolen. One thing that does need to be taken into account though, is that there is a £90 removal fee for the policies mentioned in the above post.

    You can get fully comprehensive without the black box for £1901 ($2704) (only £500 more, on the C30 2.0l) with the same terms as above (minus free windscreen repair). By the second year, one would hope for that to drop down to somewhere around £1200, within 5 years hopefully around or under £400.
    Which once you include the £90 removal fee is only around £400 ($568) more. At which point I would be tempted to go for the policy without the tracker. Of course, all of this would depend on what offers insurance companies are willing to make when I am actually in the market.

    5k miles isn't something I have chosen as a cost cutting measure. It's more that I don't plan on driving to work if I can avoid it. Which means the car probably won't do huge miles, only occasional weekend trips and maybe the occasional commute.

    There is no cheaper cover than fully comprehensive. You can get "Third party fire and theft" as well as "third party only", however they cost £800 more, come with a black box and obviously come with far less reasons to purchase them. Since they cover you for far less, and cost far more.

    I have noticed that insurance cost can often go down if you spend more on your car. I guess the logic is that if you buy a £200 car, you won't care for it or drive it well? Either way I got the £3500 mark from this listing which is IMO a really nice spec: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201803084375922
     
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