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Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. Ytrewq

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    A bleeding heart SJW liberal tree-hugger.
     
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  2. SixSixSevenSeven

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    BMW pay for it, its only GSM data rates too, not 3g or 4g, so the fees are much lower
     
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  3. aljowen

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    Or anyone buying a car in the UK. Since your road tax pricing is based upon your cars emissions.

    However on the new 2017 system only the first payment is based upon your cars emissions. However on cars from between 2001-2017 your yearly tax rates will be based upon the emissions.
     
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  4. Ytrewq

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    And what is it based on cars made before 2001?o_O
     
  5. aljowen

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    Whether the engine is above or below 1.5L
     
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  6. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    And I'm assuming it can call the police if it sees you exceed speed limits by too much? And had to be retrofitted in older cars? Son of a gun, I'm glad I don't live there.

    Oh heck no that's a bad idea. With auto updates and no way to turn them off, you can't really put a tune on it without enlisting the assistance of a big-deal, factory-connected skunk works as BMW can just write another stock tune over it any time they want. Plus the possibility that some government will decide, in the future, that since the possibility of remote updates is there, BMW has to install performance-reducing, emissions-oriented tuning or possibly even harsh speed limiters on cars that have already been sold.
     
  7. Michaelflat

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    didnt think about that, i hope it doesn't happen, well at least my first car doesn't have any internet connected rubbish on it so it isn't vulnerable to hacking (yes i know about OBD2 port theft, but who is gonna code software for a Honda Jazz and you have to get in the vehicle without a trace, and plugging anything into the OBD port protrudes into the leg area on the Jazz so i would notice it :p
     
  8. aljowen

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    To be honest you would have a hard enough time getting a manufacturer to keep their "infotainment" systems up to date, never mind putting out updates to add "features" like this. The media storm it would create would be huge too, since the car companies would kick and scream about it :p
     
  9. Ytrewq

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    It can't call the police yet, but it will, eventually, be able to inform your insurance company so it can raise your insurance cost if you often drive too fast. And yes, by 2019 (if I'm correct), it will have to be retrofitted in all cars.
     
  10. aljowen

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    To be fair to them, my first car will have a black box installed since there is literally no way I could get insured without one since premiums going up significantly (around the double mark for low miles (5k-20k), if I did 50k miles per year it worked out cheaper for me not to have one though :p). So insurance companies monitoring your driving is already here in the UK, since you would have to be rich to avoid it. That is until you get a couple years of driving under your belt.

    However it isn't tied into law enforcement in any way.

    As an aside one thing that does really irritate me is that it is illegal for someone under 26 years old to rent a car in the UK. That is 9 years after you can legally drive on the road.
     
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  11. SixSixSevenSeven

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    No speed report, most of the radios aren't even accurate enough or polling fast enough for that anyway, they're pure location and don't arm until airbag deployment has occurred.

    You can't Remap most of these ECUs anyway, and the few you can involve disabling updates
     
  12. Michaelflat

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    it could just take the ABS wheel speed data and send that, that is precise.
    I wonder if in future these radios can be programmed to be on all the time while driving, remember the whole webcam light thing (yeah i thought that the LED came on when the camera had power to it, but you can program it to go off, as a silent mode).
    Yeah, take Honda with their infotainment, its an Android tablet with a customized version of Jellybean *sigh*

    Yeah UK insurance is expensive, blackboxes are a mixed bag, if it is a good insurance company then its not bad but those insurance companies that fine you for heavy braking are bad, like getting fined for hazard evasion *sigh* UK insurance companies :p apparently Tesco were good but ">than" was quite bad apparently
     
  13. aljowen

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    For me, when I last checked a month or two ago the cheapest quotes were always from admiral's low mileage black box policy. Then at higher mileages it was their normal mileage policies with black boxes. But I imagine this will change quite heavily depending on where you live, how old you are and what car etc etc etc.

    My parents Hyundai I40 runs Windows CE. Every time it goes in for a service it gets its software and maps(new roads are added etc) updated, since it has no internet. However Windows CE becomes end of life in 2018, meaning Microsoft will not provide security updates any more. So I presume at that point Hyundai will call it a day with security updates and only do updates to their own software that runs full screen on top of the OS. It would probably be really easy to give that car a virus since it reads USB sticks and supports USB keyboard/Mice etc (because windows PC), however the OS seems to reset everything including file changes when powering on the car. The issue being is that some clever people have figured out how to bypass that and install exe's and then set up dashboard key combination shortcuts to launch them. So you can install a custom media player, press a key combination to open it and then watch films. Either way the media system runs on separate hardware to anything critical, just don't plug unknown USB sticks into the car :p.

    I wonder if you could install solitaire on it?
     
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  14. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    That insurance black box thing, whether mandatory (Russia) or functionally mandatory (England), low key makes me want to flip a bus. How am I supposed to rule the mountain passes if my insurance company can find out about it in real time and raise my rates before I crash?
     
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    That could be interesting... my grandad has a satnav that he bought for £50 that runs Windows CE and people have hacked that to run software, people even playing games on it :p

    NaviGo satnav it is, bought it off eBay, has 64MB of RAM and 400MHz processor, not bad but it has stupid TurboDogg software that is useless, i might see if i can find a cracked version of Tom Tom or some other old version to put on it, or just keep it as a novelty item
    This satnav is a different case but same internals and RAM:

    Very impressive having 3D buildings, but when there is a lot onscreen you can see the FPS slow down a lot
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    Fun driving is basically not allowed anymore, Insurance company knows what you are doing and besides there is always other traffic in England almost everywhere you go almost 24/7 (yes even at 2am you can still hear cars go by)
     
  16. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    You know, something that just hit me about Wangan Midnight. Let's say you're at a junkyard, and you see an old street racer's car about to be scrapped. Rumors are everywhere that the car is cursed or possessed. The previous owner believed this, and wanted it shredded. She's also the only previous owner who didn't die in it, and that's only because someone stopped her from driving it off a dock after it killed her brother, who just so happened to have the exact same name as you. (I may have heard at one point that all its drivers had the same name, which if true ups the Super Wrong quotient even more). Do you:

    A. Buy, restore, and attempt to tame it because you must have your revenge against the guy who blew you off the road
    B. Run away very fast
    C. Kill it with fire

    Let's assume you picked A. You're out on the freeway, attempting to get to grips with your new chariot. You're going into a hard corner and try to lift off the gas... only to find some supernatural force irresistably pushing your right foot down harder. On top of this, you could swear you hear the car talk to you somehow. Do you:

    A. Keep driving and attempting to master it because you must have your revenge against the guy who blew you off the road
    B. Park it immediately and sell it on
    C. Park it immediately and kill it with fire

    If you picked A in both cases, congratulations! You are apparently an anime protagonist!

    You are also too dumb to live.

    If it were me, my instinct after all this would be to burn the car to a well-done crisp, then acquire an excessive quantity of explosives and disintegrate the remains. Then, take any pieces large enough to recover and bury them at least 20 feet down in separate containers at least several miles away from each other. Then take a very close look at the guy who tuned it, because apparently this isn't the only one of his cars to turn on its driver. But seemingly the only person to think of destroying the death machine is the sister of one of its victims, who for some reason can only think of a method that will kill her in the process.

    A lot of this could just be tetchy, overpowered cars seen through the lens of Japanese superstition, but the business with the accelerator that doesn't want to be lifted kinda makes me wonder.
     
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    Well, James Dean's Porsche "Little Bastard" really has the title of the OG cursed car. It has quite the interesting history
     
  18. Michaelflat

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    Fun driving is basically not allowed anymore, Insurance company knows what you are doing and besides there is always other traffic in England everywhere you go almost 24/7 (yes even at 3am).


    Meh then you use your other foot to use the brake or your hands to take it out of gear and etc, yeah sorry I spoiled your fictional thing :p
    Besides having your foot on the floor in highway gear isn't going to do much if it's Japanese :p
     
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    I don't believe in superstitious fictional works so would let the car exist
     
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  20. redrobin

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    Monday night, 11 P.M. Driving home from a dealer, was looking at a truck for myself. Suddenly, I hear a rumble. You know the type, that shitty awful unequal length header marble gargle that comes out the back of a WRX. He vapes, I giggle. He revs, I sigh. I stand no chance, I'm 90 horsepower down. But I'm a good sport. 4th gear, 3rd gear, I'm ready to lose. 3, 2, 1, I get the jump, perhaps he couldn't see through his vape cloud. 80, 90, the hell? He's no pulling away? 100, how am I still with him? 105, oh finally, he's gone. 115, speed limiter. He won, obviously. I just can't believe I stayed with an STI up to 100 mph. I don't understand it. Was it gearing? Weight? Was he perhaps a moron? I dunno.

    I need a supercharger.
     
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