General Car Discussion

Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. aljowen

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    Just wait till you see how many Diesel VW's may be scrapped. Sure, doing this does help with air pollution in built up area's, but the environmental impact is also yuge.


    All modern fully functioning cars. These are just 3 of many different storage sites dotted around the US.
     
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  2. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Hmm... very interesting what you said.

    Can I have a further explanation why the V3000 can't live up to Japanese standards, being built of the parts of the Galant and Magna, both Japanese cars?

    That's a very interesting mystery and I hope we can solve it quickly.
     
  3. Mr. Avanzato

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    It was a joke lol
     
  4. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Everybody says that.

    Now, do you mind if I call the bad cop?
     
  5. MotherTrucker02

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    That's so incredibly stupid. Maybe I'm wrong but you'd think that crushing all of those perfectly good cars and having to build the replacements for them would have a larger environmental impact than just dealing with the pollutants.
     
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  6. VeyronEB

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    That's just idiotic and wasteful, the process of scrapping all those cars will just dwarf any so called benefit that removing them from the road would have, there aren't enough of those specific VW cars to make jack shit difference to a built up area and there are so many different factors that play a much bigger part in it.

    Its just a total waste of time, but someone will be making millions of it otherwise it wouldn't be happening.
     
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  7. aljowen

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    Yeah, almost certainly. But I don't really think it is about the environment.

    Funny thing is that Harley Davidson also got caught up in the emissions scandal too. But of course you aren't gonna see any of their products stacked up anywhere, or any of their employees imprisoned... Or any action taken other than a fine.

    So my guess is some US automotive lobbying dollars went into this, many of the people effected will probably end up buying US cars. But I haven't looked into it too much.



    Details on jailed VW employee since that is rather fresh news:
     
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  8. skodakenner

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    The lobying for the own makes of a country is common practice for example here in germany nothing happend and if you want to get your money back youll have to buy a new diesel from that make you cant even have a petrol car and you have to get a super expensive touareg just so youll get 10k for your old one if you get a more sensible vw polo you might only get 2k for your own car.
     
  9. aljowen

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    I am not sure if anything happened at all in the UK.
     
  10. DriftinCovet1987

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    Hmmm...interesting.

    Correct. I saw huge stacks of engines and transmissions over near the lobby while I was there, so that likely was where all of the engines in the cars went. Although...this junkyard visit has given me a couple ideas as to what I would want to do for a project car.

    That...that just shows how doofus-like the U.S. government is becoming when it comes to cars.

    All of those cars could be used for parts for other Golfs and Jettas that may have suffered damage. It may take up a bit more space, but we're already taking up space with having all of those VWs around, so it'll be far less detrimental to have the parts be reused rather than crushing all of those cars/making new parts for the existing cars.
     
  11. aljowen

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    My understanding is that the US Govt doesn't want VW to be able to profit off the vehicles.

    For example, VW could ship them all to [insert country with more lax regulations here] and sell them as approved second hand vehicles at reduced prices. This way they would make up for some of their losses. Or swap the engines in them and sell them on as "factory refurbished" at reduced prices which would result in lots of affordable cars.

    As far as I know they have been told that they are not allowed to do that.
     
  12. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Remember that materials from junkyards can be recycled (IIRC VW makes their cars to be 90% recyclable) and that the violation of emission laws was yuge.
     
  13. Michaelflat

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    So I have been reading up on Automatic's from Mercedes, and the 4G Matic transmission starts off in 2nd gear, and only starts off in 1st gear when the gearbox is in mode "2" *sigh* Mercedes :p
    As for another moan about the Rodius... Well the gearbox is well awful, it's like it never wants to lock up, you are on the motorway and at the slightest hint of throttle it unlocks the torque Converter and the revs rise, it's worse uphill as the car just drones up the hill at 2000RPM at 30MPH and 2700RPM at 70MPH.. And the silly gearbox does this....
    So you are going along at 40mph and by some miracle it decided to lock up the gearbox you put your foot down and it will unlock the gearbox and shift up a gear! Until you push harder and activate the kickdown switch and then it will go back to the correct gear for that acceleration (but this time the turbo comes on hard and chocks away the bus starts accelerating!) honestly what a gearbox, it will flat out not lock up below 35Mph anyway so round town more droning and fuel waste.
    Also the switch from Reverse to Drive is very slow and so you commonly find your self not in gear until it clonks into gear and moves off
    About the fuel with a very light right foot and so with little turbo boost we managed 45MPG through some miracle but that is reported from the OBD port which I suspect is wrong but still it can't have been that bad.
    The MPG calculation was made from total fuel use / total distance travelled. But I think the fuel use parameter was out a bit as sometimes it reports 512MPG on the instant calculation so there is a tiny bit of fuel usage on zero throttle for a bit (like a delay until the injectors shut off, could be a soft off to make it smoother).
    Speaking of smooth I remember that under cruise control to slow the car down it downshifts and to my amazement the car revmatched them down really smoothly with little jerking and the engine is so silent under no throttle, like it's just a gentle hum that is wonderful and inoffensive.

    Also I think six six seven seven said that this was the upgraded engine, no, the 2.7 is the basic engine, and there was an upgrade with the 2.0 diesel that was Euro compliant, named the Rodius Euro (had better emissions and fuel but slightly less power)
     
  14. skodakenner

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    So i want to get to know more about mechanics on a car so would it be a good idea to buy a super cheap car and try to learn by fixing it up with a friend?
     
  15. aljowen

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    It still takes energy to recycle something. Equally there will be around 1 new car made already for every vehicle there, in order to replace them.

    Don't get me wrong, its great to see that VW are being punished for the scandal. But this punishment just makes the scandal have an even bigger environmental impact.
     
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  16. Michaelflat

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    And find a few workshop manuals, it helps on some of the newer complicated cars (and weird ones like my mums Rodius :p)
     
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  17. skodakenner

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    Probably will do that i currently have my eyes on a subaru justy with 86hp for 300 euros wich would be good to fix and would bring in some money if i manage to fix it
     
  18. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Becoming? They just plain are doofus-like about cars and have been for a long time.

    I understand the logic behind that, but at the same time, it is wasteful and doesn't seem much better than forcing someone's car to be destroyed because they were a drug dealer. I guess I kind of just figured that they'd make them recall the cars and readjust the software to remove the defeat device and make them run in compliant mode all the time.

    Everyone is running around going "Good I hope VW gets what they deserve", but now that the problem has expanded to include FCA, Harley-Davidson, and, overseas, Porsche, I'm just over here wondering if/when the regulators and their supporters are finally going to wake up and realize that the problem isn't any one manufacturer, it's them and their grating "standards must constantly get tougher" attitude toward regulation, which is finally starting to put manufacturers in a major bind. Despite what bureaucrats may think, they can't make something possible just by commanding it be done. Of course, there is the possibility that this is all a one-world-order plot to destroy convenient personal transportation by making it impossible to build cars that are both desirable and affordable, but still.

    What we have here is, basically, the EPA doing what I believe it was created to do in the first place, which is to careen around making life difficult while being accountable to pretty much nobody. When their heavy-handed regulation impedes life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, the blame can't really be placed on anyone accountable to the voters, at least not anyone who's still in office anyway, but if you try to impede them, even just to inject some common sense, then it's obviously because you're just a sellout to Big Oil or someone else who wants to render the world uninhabitable in the name of profit. Hey, didn't we have a Constitution at one point?
     
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  19. aljowen

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    More pressure does result in more innovation though. If the regulations were easy to attain would we be seeing such fast development of petrol engines that function like diesels?
    With the environmental stuff the faster you can act the less of an issue it will be in future. Put it off another 10 years and you are going to have an exponentially harder time fixing it. In this day and age there is a lot of talk about how countries and individuals need to live within their means economically. This is also true of earths resources, humanity has been living beyond its means for a long time now and the result is that we are now needing to pull the brakes and try and innovate at a rapid pace in order to allow for our lifestyle to continue without bankrupting us in 60 years time.

    [Massive predictions ahead]
    Essentially this is sort of how I see things going and what I plan my life around. These predictions are almost certainly not correct.

    To be completely honest I don't think EV's are going to solve these issues fully, they will substantially help, but there is only so much lithium and roads are already conjested. However getting only 60% of cars to be electric is a really big deal, since it provides a bit of diversity which will certainly help in the medium term as well as providing more open doors for what to pursue going into the future.

    However I think mass transit and liveable cities are going to be the true solution. Since mass transit allows for very efficient movement of people, then liveable cities are designed to reduce the need for any form of transport by putting everything within walking distance, then allowing bikes for medium distance movement and mass transit for further (with the idea being that you rarely need to use it). Then self driving cars are left to cater to anything left out (however lets face it, renting a manual car would work just as well), since at that point individual ownership is pointless for most people, since the car wouldn't get enough use to make it a sensible purchase. (why buy a car if you are only going to do maybe 500 miles a year, far cheaper to rent one)

    Then as for privately owned cars I expect they will go the way of the horse. A fun toy that is within reach of the average person if it is a hobby they wish to pursue. Including petrol cars etc. Since 1% of the population driving petrol cars as a hobby is probably very feasible.

    A lot of this may seem far fetched, but to be honest, most of it is already happening.
     
  20. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    This is exactly what I'm getting at, though. When do we stop and say "that's good enough?" We've reached a point where air quality is really only a problem in dense cities, and here in the U.S., California and the states that follow/followed it have already proven that states and lower can have their own, tougher emissions laws that apply only within their borders. So find the point of good enough and set federal regulations to that point, then let the states and cities do whatever they have to to deal with their own problems. Here in the U.S. at least, problems were originally supposed to be solved with locally customized solutions and as little federal force as is possible. That's the difference, really, between the conservative limited-government approach and the socialist big-government approach typical of other countries. Conservatism attacks problems with precise strikes so as to reduce their impact as much as possible without griefing people elsewhere who don't have the same problem. Big-government socialism attacks problems by aiming a regulatory howitzer at them, and if someone else gets caught in the blast radius, well, it's all for the greater good I guess.

    The prediction you gave is actually a good example of this. I could see some cities vomiting enormous sums of cash in order to reduce the need for private vehicle ownership, but there are still a lot of people on this planet who don't live in cities at all, and I for one would not be particularly happy about having to walk or bike 10 miles to work year round, in a place where temperatures can easily go below 0 F in the winter, just because some out-of-touch bureaucrat thousands of miles away woke up one morning and decided LOL NO CAR FOR YOU. And I've got it easy; some people here in Alaska have a round trip of over 200 miles to work and back, every day (how and why they do that, I don't know, but they do). Note that the distances involved don't lend themselves well to public transportation (though a certain kind soul is trying anyway, for the benefit of those who can't afford to run a car), and for the final twist of the knife, the climate here will only exacerbate range issues in electric cars, at least in the winter.

    Most likely, the end goal here is to completely ban the combustion engine, and we should all be slapping ourselves for not realizing it sooner. Whether it's an outright ban on combustion engines or a "soft" ban by making the standards so stupidly tough that it's impossible to make a worthwhile engine emissions-compliant hardly matters at this point. I'm sure there are some "true believers" out there who really believe that the earth will explode if we don't stop all CO2 emissions yesterday, but "the powers that be" want to curtail the freedom of movement that a combustion-powered car brings with it.
     
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