Looking for a old car that i can do my practice on. Also for bragging rights. My budget is 10k CZK/415$/263GBp/365EUR of own money, just for the car. Will have to spare something for registration as well. That is just enough to get a nice old car, at least where i live. I could get an old opel for 3000 but that is not what i intend, i need an old simple car with as little plastic i can so that i can do car stuff on it and when i get a license use it as a daily. Old Skodas are the most available, the most elegant. Looking only for them pretty much. http://auta.yauto.cz/skoda-120-120-l-2175127.html http://www.sbazar.cz/jopo.harmonika/detail/11167446-skoda-120-105-r-v http://auto.bazos.cz/inzerat/47604996/Skoda-105L-Original-stav.php http://auto.bazos.cz/inzerat/47681012/Skoda-100L.php
How do people even steal cars these days? Like, it's almost impossible to start any car made after about 1995 without the keys.
Where i live we are the very pr0's at stealing cars. There is either the option to drive away in the car, or drive away with the car on a rollback. There is lots of ways how to start a car without the keys, like swapping out ECU's, stealing the keys, backtracing the signal the kays make when somebody locks/unlocks the car and using button-start without key-fob. changing both the ECU and the ignition box you stick the key in. Really the only 100% efficent way how to prevent us from stealing your car is get a lock for the reverse gear, then they can't do shit except for stealing your radio. Rollback's mostly aren't used because in crumpled streets it is very easy to get a random cop ask you what you are doing, and if the car has alarm you are screwed double.
Only immobiliser cars can't be stated without keys really. There were still cars made in the early 2000's without an immobiliser. Hence why in the UK the police recommend not leaving car keys anywhere near the front door. The solution used by many thieves now is to look through the letter box on your door for the keys and then hook them on some sort of pole. Or simply break into the house and take said keys. I do know someone who had a guy turn up asking to read the gas meter. Imbecile fell for the obvious trick. Car keys stolen in broad daylight.
Also don't forget the "i lost mi keys lolz" failsafe built into (most, AFAIK) ignition-transponder cars. Many of them have some exercise you can perform, such as a sequence of pushes and pulls on the emergency brake, that will start the car in "normal" (as opposed to "valet") mode so you can get them to a dealer without a tow truck if you lose all said keys. This exercise is unique to each individual specimen of a make and model, but can be derived from the vehicle's VIN and is apparently common knowledge in car theft circles. If a thief can intercept enough keyfob/lock interactions to compute the code sequence (not as difficult as it sounds anymore, and may only need to be done once for each make and model due to the encryption standard used for keyless-entry codes) and then derive your car's failsafe routine, he can get in and drive away without ever having to break into a house, pick a pocket, or physically damage/alter the vehicle. If the Skoda Felicia in your sig is your own, then judging by its apparent age, none of what I said above is relevant because the car is still old enough to be vulnerable to old-fashioned lock picking/forcing and hotwiring (to be fair, pretty much any car with a backup physical-key lock on at least one door can probably be broken into the old-fashioned way).
Auto Theft Prevention Test: you act as the theif (Can you beat this scenario?), respond with your estimate of how and how much time this would take you, plus with what tools. Preventions: Lo-jack (On-Star), Disconnected battery, fuel pump and ignition fuse removed, master-brake cylinder locked down (don't know how this idea works yet though), parking-brake on, The Club Steering wheel lock, Door locks. Model type: 2002 Audi S4 Wagon How would you go about the theft of it? Free to expand upon.
Yeah i drive it, it has no fancy keyfob with many buttons, but just a key with a immobiliser inside, and a fancy light so that you see where you are sticking it at night. Te imobiliser is bulletproof enough for drunken gypsys who at most smash the window and steal the radio, and luckily the pro's don't care at all about a car of this age because it would just not be worth for them stealing it, even if the keys were on the driver's seat. The immobiliser and central locking are pretty much the only anti-theft features of these cars. No alarm either, unless you put a 5cent chineese one that doesn't work in. To get into tho, it is quite easy. This is one of the many ways. The first words are "The keys are on the car, and the car is locked."
So basically the question is how to get a seemingly immobile car away from where its parked? No mention of road conditions, if people are around, how far i have to get or anything like that? Easy enough. Battery is disconnected, so no alarm will go off. Jack up the front end, put some wheel dollies under the tires, repeat with the rear end. Roll it away Would take roughly 5min, and tools are a jack and the dollies. Now realistically how far you could get without someone noticing is a problem, BUT since this is only a theoretical question, car stolen.
You forgot to put copper mesh over the exterior preventing the lo-jack backup battery from pinging the satellite, also I agree about how far you could get towing something covered in copper mesh. Busted. -update- I know I did not mention the battery for lojack, but I think that might be the point..
Shit, nobody's got time for that. I'd just act like a typical thief in the dirty Czech neighborhoods. Jack the rims and sell them
Yea to get around the lojack would be pretty difficult, can't imagine finding that much copper mesh would be easy or cheap. Say maybe you did it when the owners were sleeping or away so it wouldn't be reported missing right away, take it somewhere temporary, bust into it and disable it before anyone was wise to it missing (would have to have knowledge about how to do such a thing). It'd be far too much for one person to get away with. Anyways, I may be busted, but I did technically steal it. A for ingenuity This is kinda fun.
I will do one more before this thread gets derailed. If it is entertaining enough we should create a main thread for this game. I have issues with radio, is it radio or satellite.. nevermind. The target is : 2015 Acura NSX The target is stateside, in covered business parking. There are security cameras, and patrol typical of Silicon Valley. You explain any road hazard scenarios. The owner has left on business for one week to the day. You do not know the color of the vehicle. You are also on parole for prior felony operating a chop shop. How do you get this automobile?
Alternatively, a flatbed with a winch would work just fine and be far less noticeable. If anyone asks (possibly including the owner), say you're with parking enforcement and the car has accrued too many unpaid tickets. If the owner presses the issue, blame a bureaucratic or computer foul-up and say you don't make the rules, you just follow orders. The only problem is, if the owner tries to stop you, they'll get a good look at your face, or they might get physical depending on how bad a day they've had already. If the condition is that the car has to reach the chop shop under its own power, I think a signal jammer could probably be knocked together to keep it from getting a signal out. Barring that, find and remove or destroy the LoJack, then tie something noisy (such as old coffee cans) to the undercarriage. When the owner gets out to investigate the seriously ungood noises emanating from his car, ambush him, grab the keys, and race off. He'll call the cops, who will follow the LoJack signal right to where I dumped the tracker, with the car nowhere to be found. Make my way to the chop shop, using a police scanner to thwart detection by coordinated searches and the Mark I Eyeball. Successful troll is successful. Total time spent on provably illegal activity, between beginning of operation and first foot-to-gas-pedal contact, 5-15 minutes depending on how hard the LoJack is to find and get to. Tools required: a screwdriver/socket wrench to remove the LoJack or hammer to break it (the latter possibly assisted by a can of liquid nitrogen), old coffee cans to make "broken car" noises, some manner of rope or twine to secure them to the undercarriage. Time is barely and issue here anyway: you placed no limits on how long I have to stalk the owner and set up the heist, so any number of SIGINT and OPINT techniques, legal and illegal, could be used to ensure the owner will be a long time coming (for example, wait and steal the car when he does his main grocery shopping expedition on payday afternoon). Alternatively, the classic bump-n-rob is an option here. After neutralizing the LoJack as described above, follow the owner to a less-observed area and give him a love tap. When he gets out to check for damage and exchange insurance information, knock him down and grab the keys (assuming they weren't left in the ignition in the first place), then burn rubber out of there. Again 5-15 minutes, though distributed differently. For the NSX: Find a van or pickup truck that parks in the same garage. Breach its security and stow away. Once you get out, stealth and disguise are required due to cameras and patrols - make sure you can't be identified at a glance or from later review of footage. Now, find the NSX and read the VIN to find its lost keys failsafe. The next part has to be timed perfectly because of alarms. Wait for a legitimate attempt at egress (although access can work too if you can find another delivery that goes to this garage and time its approach rather well), one that originates far enough away that the other driver will chalk up the noise to a hair trigger or accidentally-triggered alarm. Pick or force the door lock, use the failsafe startup procedure, and rush through the gate when it opens for the legitimate user. It'd take serious guts to attempt and serious skills to pull off, but it's the only way I can think of that wouldn't require actual ninjutsu.
This is why some lock down their brakes (tha master cylinder thing). busted, your ideas do get you credit in my book, however overly violent they may be. Nobody I know is going to risk assault and battery over a 2002 S4. As for the NSX scenario, you have one week with the imagined being rolling security. Thank you for playing.
Felicias were immobilised Most car alarms are not sensitive enough to detect being jacked up btw. Christ, the one on a buddies ford didnt recognise 4 of us rocking the car side to side. It did recognise someone yanking the door handle and knocking on the window though?
I'd say the sensors are calibrated to detect people messing with the doors better than the rest of the car. In my opinion, car alarms go off when they shouldn't so often that people just kind of ignore them. It would be useful if someone was messing with your car in the driveway in the middle of the night or something, I guess, but that's about it.