A thread of dislike of atomonus cars

Source for your claims?

 

tesla autopilot fatal crash

 

https://www.copart.com

And here's over 100k crashed cars, and that's just US/Canada current bidding.

 

The infamous "Autopilot" crash has a strong component of human error in it:

- Autopilot doesn't just drive for you, despite its name. When potential danger is detected, it just leaves intervention to the driver and simply aids him or her in the maneuver. System is automatically disabled after a certain amount of time if the driver hasn't his hands firmly on the steering wheel, which is quite certainly the case here.
- Apparently, the onboard system was subject to manumission in order to allow media play while the vehicle was running.
- Dynamics suggest improper conduct on behalf of the driver.

 

i hate them. its just asking for car crashes. and have people really gotten so lazy they cant even drive anymore??? smh world...smh....

 

I wonder if people asked "Have people gotten too lazy to type commands?" when Windows came around.

Or "Have people gotten too lazy to walk to the TV?" when remotes came around.

Or "Have people gotten too lazy to wash?" when washing machines came around.

Or "Have people gotten too lazy to take care of a horse?" when cars came around.

Probably started with "Have people gotten too lazy to hunt?" when farming came around.

 

i guess u have a point, but what i meant is like ive seen people who sleep while using autopilot. and people who do this stuff is why i dont like self-driving cars. too many dumb people who dont pay attention to the road.

 

Good idea, decent/good execution, but used poorly by certain drivers.
I guess they think that since it's called "auto-pilot", it will drive by itself to wherever you want to go like the ones built into planes. Like F2YS said, these crashes are all due to human error, not because of the manufacturer and how they developed these systems.
Just my thoughts on these vehicles.

 

I'll throw my 2 cents in here...
Do I want an autonomous vehicle? NO.
Semi-Autonomous? If it can reduce the strain of doing 65 on a state highway for a few hours at a time then sure.
Do I think 75-90% of the general driving population should switch to full autonomous? Absolutely.

I have had the privilege of racing go-karts since second grade so I 100% want to be in full control of my vehicle and drive it the way I want to. Not only do I have a few hours of control over what I'm doing, it's also a time where I can put my phone away and listen to music and just think. There is however a time where I do wish my car could take over for a few hours, especially on my many 8 hour trips to and from college. I also most definitly think that those who don't care much for driving (or who are too distracted by their phones) should have a fully autonomous vehicle as they would be reducing the harm done to themselves and others while also ensuring a steady flow of traffic.

 

You are absolutely right. People who care about driving and are responsible enough to drive safely should be able to have normal cars if want, and people who could care less about what happens to themselves or others on the road should switch to autonomous vehicles. I think then, we would almost certainly see a decrease in car crashes.

 

I being a real petrolhead would go against such cars.
Besides we already got autonomous trains

 

Ahh, the old good "No one can enjoy x in another way than me".

 

If playing mobile games while a robot vehicle delivers you to the desired unloading point is enjoying it, then I'm enjoying my chair right now.

 

Some only want to drive in the cooler spots.

 

The autonomous cars that are being pushed as being "self driving" (e.g. Google Car) usually have no steering wheel or dash board to be seen. You won't be driving these cars at all.


(also, sorry for the bump)

 

IMO, driving assist and self-driving with human override in acceptable, fully automated passenger vehicle is not. Watch Qantas Flight 72, if there's an aircraft with no pilots on board, things could have gone much worse.

 

Technocrats, are individials who try to control and manipulate other citizens in every aspect and every possible ways (aka totalitarians) with technologies. Take away the right to drive is only one thing they could to, other things such as removing the right to repair (some BMWs don't even have oil meters) or right not to update (iOS and Windows 10 home) they are already doing.

The "You don't hate children do you?" is similar to the advocation of lead usage with the Big Oil leaded fuel production. The history repeats itself.

In terms of vehicle controlability, a bicycle is similiar to a car, both can be controlled manually and directly. If human driving is banned I will ride a bike.

Horses have their own thoughts and can be controlled directly and manually.
Drivable vehicles have no own thought and can be controlled directly and manually.
Autonomous vehicles have their own thoughts and cannot be controlled directly and manually.
Thus, autonomous vehicles should always (and only) be an option, just like horses.
The advocation of not using atomic bombs in modern warfares in not the hostility to nuclear energy. The same goes to not making autonomous vehicles dominate road transportations.
The use (even massive use) of AVs is OK(just like subways), but please leave human driving unharmed.

 

1) You can't control a horse directly. you can give the horse compelling sugestions to move how you want them to, but sometimes horses are jerks and throw you off. it's not like you can jack into the brain of a horse and move muscles yourself.
2) There is actually a huge debate about if a machine can truly think. Look up 'The Ghost in the Machine' for more information.
3) Most AV's currently either have a 'driver' ready to take over if something goes wrong, like with Tesla Autopilot (not technically an AV, but it's close enough) or they have their manual driving capabilities intact.
4) the advocacy for not using atomic bombs usually overlaps with hostility for nuclear energy since most people agree that nukes are bad. In fact, fears of atomic bombs has sparked a lot of anti nuclear power sentiment over the years. Many people still believe nuclear reactors are basically A-bombs ready to blow on a hair trigger since nukes are such a destructive force.
5) You still have agency over an AVs actions. you kinda sorta tell it where to go.
6) I think it's interesting that most accidents self driven cars are involved in are caused by a human driver intentionally running them off the road because they think nobody is inside them. I don't think AVs and human drivers can coexist on the same roads. Besides, forcing AV's to play nice with human drivers will nullify most of the advantages of the technology. Humans need traffic signals, AVs don't. Humans need speed limits, AVs probably don't. AV's won't crash and kill an innocent family if their sole occupant is drunk. This happens a lot with cars.
7) AVs will always be an option. Cars are an option too. You can walk, bus, train, skate, sail, etc. AVs would be just be safer, faster, more efficient, more convenient, and more consistent than cars could ever be. They are clearly the logical choice moving forward. it's a shame humans are illogical creatures with a monkey brain. (myself included)
EDIT: I love driving and I always turn my TCS off in my car. I don't need it, but many people do. TCS is an important safety feature responsible for saving many lives. I'd just prefer to have an AV get me around safely, and a separate track day car to hoon around in a controlled environment like a track or a grass field.
Also, I have a few counter examples to Quantus 72. Air France 447 and China Air 006. both flights had capable pilots on board, taken by surprise when the autopilot stopped working and handed over control to them. flight 447 stalled and crashed into the ocean, and 006 fell into a supersonic dive and miraculously recovered due to a combination of pilot skill and dumb luck. handing over control to a human without warning is very dangerous. Also bear in mind, Quantus 72 happened during takeoff/ initial climb. IIRC, the autopilot was never engaged, so the pilots weren't taken by surprise by the autopilot failing, just the engine exploding. AVs can conceiveably pull over to the shoulder if a problem arises, a plane can't. I don't think we will ever have fully auto airliners.

 

You got a source on that?

 

I feel like a highway mode for cars thats like, I don't know, more in-depth trailing system.
-Follows at the same speed as the car ahead
-Keeps a certain distance
-Brakes when needed
-Stays in one lane
-Warns for bumps or hazards
Other than that, I'd prefer both of my hands on the wheel.
But it'd be sick to flick a switch and drive 55 miles without touching the wheel.
However city driving needs to be left up to humans. Bottom line.
Public transport? You ever been to DC? Just do what they do.