0.21 Discussion thread | Use Safe Mode before reporting

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Leeloo, Dec 15, 2020.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Belvedere58

    Belvedere58
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2018
    Messages:
    120
    Small / moderate front collisions in the Gavril Roamer consistently results in these black parts clipping through the hood.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. vmlinuz

    vmlinuz
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2014
    Messages:
    1,645
    Back on Windows... The eSBR's gauge cluster still causes occasional FPS stuttering with multiple vehicles - by comparison, the Cherrier Vivace's dashboard does not have this issue.

    The ESC lockup issue persists. It seems to be the front inside wheel that seizes up.

    This is on Windows, a clean install, no mods, no cache, latest version

    Edit:
    > Adjusted body slip angle calculations affecting throttle control too much in low speed + high steering angle scenarios
    Huh. At least there was an attempt - you sure you committed the changes?
     

    Attached Files:

    #862 vmlinuz, Feb 14, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2021
  3. Slugfest

    Slugfest
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2020
    Messages:
    806
    So, I looked into it and I found that if I use the brake temp debug, I can see which wheel is locking up - for me, it's the rear inside (tested using eSBR 300 at 25 mph cruise control, tapping right or left rather quickly to maintain steering angle moderately, and also simply turning right or left at 19 mph cruise control (which translates to 16 mph with the brake locked up)) Is this the same problem you're having?
     
  4. vmlinuz

    vmlinuz
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2014
    Messages:
    1,645
    Yes, except the brake locks up and grinds the car to a full stop. It happens between 10 and 20 mph almost exclusively.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  5. Slugfest

    Slugfest
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2020
    Messages:
    806
    Okay, for me (on gridmap, with eSBR 300) I accelerate and turn right or left (keyboard, so full throttle/steering) and while the inner rear wheel locks up, it only leads me to a partial handbrake turn that repeats over and over. The locked wheel starts at 19 mph and lets go at 6 mph. Can anyone besides us replicate this?
    --- Post updated ---
    Correction: left is affected worse than right. Right has a higher frequency of short bursts that don't slow down the car as badly (from 20 mph to 14 mph).
     
  6. vmlinuz

    vmlinuz
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2014
    Messages:
    1,645
    If it helps, I'm using an FFB wheel. Here's another video since nobody seems to believe me. Is there even a reason for the ESC to be engaged at speeds this slow, much less at full brake force?

    deleted for being a karen
     

    Attached Files:

    #866 vmlinuz, Feb 14, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2021
  7. Slugfest

    Slugfest
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2020
    Messages:
    806
    I see what you're referring to now, I was on the wrong path as my keyboard lends me to poorer driving. I too tested in safe mode with no mods, the ETK Kc4t (A) in comfort mode on gridmap, and I also found that at low steering angles (30-50%) and roughly 20 mph, coasting, in drive, the ESC brakes the inside front wheel, exactly as you described.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  8. Rainvest

    Rainvest
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,817
    I've been experiencing the same thing with the ESC system for quite awhile. Upon aggressive driving, I found that the ESC wants to brake on a singular wheel and continue braking until the car came to a halt. A very frustrating experience driving a car with ESC enabled.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  9. P_enta

    P_enta
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2020
    Messages:
    2,403
    Sometimes when im trying to drive with the sbr4 and esbr, the traction control freaks out and doesnt even let me move from a standstill. even on normal roads with the steering straight.
     
  10. ARES IV

    ARES IV
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 6, 2019
    Messages:
    298
    BUG REPORT


    @vmlinuz
    @Nadeox1

    I can replicate. Windows 10, Game in Safe Mode, using a keyboard only to drive.

    Now this is fascinating. At 20 mp/h having a certain steering angle input indeed causes unintended persisting ECS braking.This does not happen at maximum steering angle... only at lower values. Which might explain why keyboard users like me didnt get it because you are pretty unlikely to be in this particular speed and steering angle with a keyboard.

    And it is still odd..... ESC bugging out like that does occasionally happen... hard cornering at comparable low speeds and in particular when going uphill had me have a similar issue when the brakes stay active longer than they should and also the engine torque being reduced to almost zero until you fully let go the throttle for a moment and then reapply it.

    What I dont get @vmlinuz is that it happens for you all the time even when "regular" driving. Can you replicate the issue in "regular" driving when only using a keyboard and disconnecting your steering wheel from the computer? Because the game is far from unplayable for me and appearantly many others so there still has to be something that makes it particular horrible for you.

    @Nadeox1 I see a high probability that this bug is also responsible for this occasional ESC issue.

    When trying to replicate this bug I managed to create precisly the same situation as described above. ESC "locking up" and engine torque being reduced to almost zero:

    Here is a video (it is not listed on youtube)

    At first I try to replicate vmlinuz issue which I can. The vehicle however recovers for me once you stop giving steering input.

    Then I accelerate the car to much higher speeds and then trigger the ESC which works as expected.

    Finally I use the handbrake to trigger a serious skid and while ESC brings it under control too, it triggers the very bug:

    Brakes disengage fully but engine torque remains extremly limited, causing the vehicle to stay at 8mp/h besides technically being with the pedal on the metal. Appearantly the ESC reduces engine torque drastically and as such even with the brakes fully disengaged, the vehicle cannot accelerate anymore.

    Only when fully releasing the throttle.... the system appearantly resets and as such the car behaves normally after that.



     
    #870 ARES IV, Feb 14, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2021
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. Agent_Y

    Agent_Y
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Messages:
    2,997
    Seems like the reason it wasn't happening to me was because I was just using a keyboard... Looks like it happens for everyone as long as the steering input from the wheel is small enough. This is a really game-breaking issue and has to be fixed quickly!
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. wearyNATE15

    wearyNATE15
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2015
    Messages:
    1,271
    I thought it was just me, I just disregarded it thinking it was a mod conflict. Happens to me on definetly the ETKs, cant remember if the vivace has it too. I use a wheel if that helps. Lower speeds or certain steering angles the ESC acts up and eventually locks the throttle up until I let go.
     
  13. ARES IV

    ARES IV
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 6, 2019
    Messages:
    298
    BUG REPORT

    Scenario Gravity Fuel is impossible to do. Probably caused by the wheel physic changes.
     
  14. default0.0player

    default0.0player
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2018
    Messages:
    954
    Why? Because the ESC misinterpret as oversteer opposite lock.
    For example left turning at mph, ESC believed that vehicle is in a right turn oversteering you turn left is as countersteer, thus it brakes the inner(in this case left) in the front wheel.
    But Diamondback said my guess was wrong.

    --- Post updated ---
    Also the old ESC bug: Traction Control 2WD better than 4WD
    In this video (at 14:56) The UAZ Patriot 4WD is better than 2WD and ESC on is better than ESC off, 4WD w/ESC is better than 2WD w/ESC
     
  15. Trophy

    Trophy
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2019
    Messages:
    1,648
    Suggestion: move the interior camera in the I series farther back.
     
  16. DaddelZeit

    DaddelZeit
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2019
    Messages:
    2,600
    You can easily customize your camera position in the options. Just enable adjustable seat position and move you camera around.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  17. vmlinuz

    vmlinuz
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2014
    Messages:
    1,645
    deleted for being a karen
     
    #877 vmlinuz, Feb 14, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2021
  18. LucasBE

    LucasBE
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2015
    Messages:
    1,485
    this is just down to how damage is handled in the game, there's nothing that can be done about it. Clipping happen on most if not all vehicles
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  19. vmlinuz

    vmlinuz
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2014
    Messages:
    1,645
    deleted for being a karen
     
    #879 vmlinuz, Feb 14, 2021
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2021
  20. Agent_Y

    Agent_Y
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2020
    Messages:
    2,997
    Dude stop exaggerating the issue and spamming the thread with it, they are probably well aware of it but something like this can't be easy to fix, they could even have to recode the entire ESC system from scratch, we don't know. And this doesn't mean all modern cars are "completely unusable", it just means you can't drive slow with low steering input with ESC on, it's not the end of the world. And stop assuming everything, how can you know they have ignored the issue, just because nobody responded doesn't mean they don't read this thread.
     
    • Agree Agree x 4
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice