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My g920 wheel wiggles back and forth vigorously...

Discussion in 'Troubleshooting: Bugs, Questions and Support' started by Fwoopie_, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Fwoopie_

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    I swear I have messed with every setting possible but I can not figure this out.

    Here's a video of the problem:

    I recently bought a Logitech g27 wheel. But it had the problem as shown above. So I sold it and bought a g920. However it has the exact same issue..

    If anyone knows how to fix this issue it would be very appreciated. Because it makes the game pretty unplayable.

    *Edit*
    Here's a vid of it happening at speed:
     
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  2. den_chik

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    Do you mean oscillating effect? Gear drive wheels have this effect very pronounced. It's not issue with the wheel, even hi-end DD have this effect sometimes. You should decrease overall FFB strength to weaker this effect. And... control your wheel to stop that.
     
    #2 den_chik, Mar 24, 2021
  3. Fwoopie_

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    In order to reduce this effect to the point where its not a problem I have to turn my FFB really low. And at that point what's the point in using a FFB wheel. If I had to explain what it feels like, its like the wheel is going too far, then trying to correct itself over and over. It feels very unnatural and I don't have this problem in any other games. I also don't know anyone else who has this issue. I've scoured the internet for a few days and I cant find anything on it. It just doesn't make sense.
     
    #3 Fwoopie_, Mar 24, 2021
  4. stenyak

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    Hi @Fwoopie_, this effect is never 100% solvable, but there's measures you can take to minimize it. For that, please take a look at our input troubleshooting guide, you can skip directly to Q16 near the bottom of that chart.
     
    #4 stenyak, Mar 24, 2021
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    Search in Youtube for "steering wheel oscillation" and you will find.

    What are those games? Games WITH BACK WHEEL FORCES should lead to this problem. Arcade games - no to.
     
    #5 den_chik, Mar 24, 2021
  6. Fwoopie_

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    Thank you :)
    Unfortunately I've already tried all these things...
    But do you of any reason why I might be experiencing these issues more than someone else? I mean, maybe this is just normal and I didn't know about it. But I haven't heard anyone else talk about this problem on BeamNG before.
     
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  7. den_chik

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    Because usually no one think what it's real "unplayable issue". And, again, it's not BeamNG problem, but all games with real physics FF (Back).
     
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  8. stenyak

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    You are not alone! But normally this effect only appears when you let the wheel loose. People have their hands on the wheel most of the time so for them it's a non-issue in practice.

    This happens in other sims too. If you read their changelogs over the years, you may notice them dealing with similar issues.

    It happens even in real life, and people fix it by installing steering dampers on their front axle. Search the web for 'death wobble' for more information :D


    But yeah, it happens more often in computer simulations than in real life, because simulations have a much longer feedback loop (having to go through several layers of both software and hardware). Every tiny delay will multiply the wobbling.

    And it's specially problematic in BeamNG.drive because of our soft-body physics, where suspension flex, chasis flex, tire sidewall flex, and everything-flex will exacerbate the problem, which other sims may not need to care about in the first place.
     
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    This doesn’t happen to me in BeamNG but happens to me in ETS2. Sometimes it really hurts because I have strength to maximum. Nothing I can really contribute here, I have no idea what I’m doing.
     
    #9 P_enta, Mar 24, 2021
  10. Fwoopie_

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    Huh, well thank you for the explanation! :)
    And yeah, I figured it had something to do with latency haha cuz it feels like there’s this little delay that causes the wheel to just go a little too far, then try to correct for that, then go a little too far, then try to correct for that ect... lol
    Do you think my hardware could be causing latency issues? I don’t have the beefiest pc lol but it’s not a slump either.
     
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  11. stenyak

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    If you've followed all the advice from that input guide, specially the S13 box, then there's not much else you can do. Sacrificing graphics quality and amount of vehicles in exchange for higher framerate is probably all you can do. See if you're okay with a lower ffb strength, or with the possible rattling that a lower smoothing can introduce in those gear-driven steering wheels.
     
    #11 stenyak, Mar 24, 2021
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