The new EULA has robbed me of my ability to play this game.

Although I admire your aggressive attention to this matter, it appears once again the end result is the usual dismantling of an argument
put forth via kneejerk paranoia. Perhaps discussions with the devs in private before 'going public' would have saved you some credibility?

Watching these things is painful.

 

On top of what 6677 said (with what I agree 100%) I just want to add that this sounds very hypocritical coming from someone who had the image of an ex-terrorist leader as his avatar just minutes ago and a staff member had to remove it.
Anyway, I'm going a bit off-topic and I don't really want to make this thread a war more than it is so I'll stop here.

 

@Funky7Monkey There needs to be a line between protecting and controling.

@Aboreath We haven't enitrely dismantled it, but i'll admit they have a few good reasons i've seen so far that i had not accounted for.

 

Being a mod maker, I understand some language needed to be written on this matter in the legal form. Of course, the inferred agreement between myself and BeamNG prior to the set-in-stone EULA was that I was uploading a mod onto their website so it can be distributed as a free mod made by me for their game. Clearly, this intended 'agreement' or 'handshake' between the two parties didn't always click so I see the need for an EULA.

I see nothing wrong with what they have got going and it makes sense; lots of the legal crap that has to be there doesn't really make sense or just reiterates common sense (again, inferred but not always clicking)

In another way, it's saying: 'You're giving us your content so we can redistribute it do anybody anywhere at anytime. You still own it but you're giving us the freedom to post it on our website, which we own to share with the public. You have total creative freedom and control'.

With the "license to use" or whatever wording in the EULA, I'd be hard-pressed to see the BeamTeam using community assets when they have more than one staff member dedicated to this task. If this does come down to it, there's no way they wouldn't ask first.

I and other long-time members here, we know these guys/girls. They've been at this for many years now and have invested probably tens of thousands of hours of work not to mention the life changing things they've had to do to get where they are (IE, moving across the globe). I'd be damned if they had any malicious intent towards our mods and our work; our time and effort.

On a more personal level, OP, not a good idea to be a bigot here as this is a completely international community. I'm pretty sure more people who aren't from America have created addon content for the game than we have.

The team consists of people from all over the world and yeah, there's Americans working with people of other cultures; I hope this doesn't baffle you. Yes, there's plenty of those here who are of "[un]inferior" origin and most of us speak the "[un]inferior" language. Hell, I am an American, just like you I would presume. Thing is, not everyone can learn English so readily as you, myself, or the developers of this game are able to. So, why should they be "robbed" of the ability to have playable access to the game just because their language is "inferior". Is their money any more inferior than ours? No! Of course it isn't! If they can afford the game, why should they not be able to have it in their language?

And this little plug about terrorists or whatever, like dude, come on. Here's a news flash. Terrorists are extremists, everyone else in the Middle East (of which I presume is where you're pointing the finger at) is normal just like you or I; hard working people who enjoy life and doing things just as you or I.

To make the rant short, get some perspective kiddo. You're not the only person in the universe. Also, read things a lot more carefully, because your allegations and assumptions are just bullsh*t.

 

When you're dealing with the law you need to armour yourself against those who want to use it to hurt you. Law is a logical argument with a real world outcome and since you can always argue with logic it's a smart move to sieze every right you reasonably can over what you want to protect. Unfortunately it seems to be legal precedent that a website is responsible for the content it hosts from it's users. Look at this history of the DMCA on youtube and why the DMCA got implemented. The internet lost to big companies who love copyright on YouTube and now every site seems to be beholden to that legal precedent. So you will notice that YouTube, Soundcloud, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter... massive social media gaints or backwater content hosts like DeviantArt and FurAffinity take on a kind of quasi-ownership of your content in return for hosting it in order to be able to help themselves. Do you ever read the ToS for other places that let you host creative works?

They're not trying to steal your cat video, Google's not going to profit from your sonic fanart. Youtube states that, and the TOS is fairly identical between them for the most part, that they relinquish ownership of your work once it is no longer present on their system. I'm confident that a smaller company that has proven itself trustworthy with over a decade of time and investment, that is much closer to it's userbase, will not be any worse than Google. They're protecting their asses and you would too if it only took one anon to sink something that's been ongoing since 2005.

 

DMCA has been abused to hell and back. Fox used a youtube video in an episode of Family Guy and then DMCA'd the original. Also reddit has been censored to hell by there new CEO since apperently you can't have subreddits that go against whatever society has deemed right and acceptable or are of a controvesial nature. So laws are not logical, logically laws should be adapted so that major corporations can no longer abuse them and use them to censor others. Laws benefit who ever has the most cash to spend.

Youtubes DMCA solution: A robotic piece of shit bot that DMCA's anything with a match, including fair usage, that you can't dispute.

So can we please not reference some of the most censored sites on the internet as examples for laws.

 

It only makes sense to reference those sites; they set the example, even if those examples are bad or not ideal/practical. The laws and methods trickle down to much smaller entities and companies, like BeamNG.

 

@ProffesorX I think everything said here is pretty accurate. You're misinterpreting what the EULA says and skewing it way out of proportion. No one's coming to steal your precious American freedom.

Also, should we ban English because that's what members of the IRA spoke? #logic

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That's a new way of putting it lol

 

Man, be calm, read accurately the EULA and say something constructive! Attacking other languages because they're terrorist is so childish and nonsense. Talking about the EULA, as a modmaker i accept the contract because is fair. With every update my mod brokes down and having some staff member inside my mod can only be useful. If you don't have a mod you can't understand, every mod passes through a manual check from the staff, to do this manual check they need to access your mod and modify it if needed. This prevents bad mods to be posted on the repository, in a legal way BeamNG gmbh must say that they need to use our mods. Without the help of people like @synsol or @meywue the mods on this forum will be way more bad, but in order to keep this quality they must have access to the mods. I hope you grow up and understand this

 

Lot'a cry-babies. Sounds like a standard EULA, which can, as every EULA, be misinterpreted to pieces by conspiracy-theorists. Go vaccinate.

Yes, im being ironic but this thread sounds really exaggerated.

 

English is also very heavily used by terrorists around the world, y'know. Also, your logic makes no sense. If I make a Toyota Hilux mod, is it suddenly associated with terror because it's known that ISIS sometimes refits and reuses them? No, and neither is language.

The EULA is the way it is for the reasons tdev and others have already stated. You're saying that companies bullshit their way around DMCA but you only say that in reference to huge monilithic companies that want your data, do you really think the Beam devs even care, or have enough manpower, to do the same?

 

You do realize this is to defend their work, their company, their lives?

There's people out there winning lawsuits agains microwave companies because they put their cat inside and it died... And not knowing the coffee they just bought is hot and then sued McDonalds. They effin' won!

World is full of greedy, stupid people without empathy or understanding of how shit works.

Lol. How is the language inferior? Have you studied it? xD

That's one type of stupid that makes the world dumber. The problem with racism, the problem with those who call everyone with an opinion racist, just to take two contrasts as examples - is that they generalize and cannot see the nuanced reality.

You do realise that when western people get closer to those cultures we tend to understand each other to a greater extent? Don't you see how all the muslim kids growing up with western culture aren't hateful towards us, but understand that we're just humans too?

Not that I particularly like the religion, which is a different discussion altogether (let's not get into that). But the thing is, if e.g. muslim culture participate in western culture and interact with us, that's only a good thing.

The EULA explicitly rule that out as an exception.