Physics Problem

Hi , i have uncommon problem
When i try drift every rwd car it ends with spinnig and i dont have any control.
Every car acts like a brick throwed into toilet
also awd cars when i turn fully left or right and press throttle it drives forward even drifts with handbrake straightens cars.
some times turning with 80kph (50mph) ends with crash because it doesnt turn at all (wheels turning but car understeer sliping)
I tried change cars , download new cars , change tires ,tune cars and reinstall game
Where can i search problems?

(its no skill issue , ive drifted in real life stock 300hp bmw e92 ,stock 200hp bmw xdrive f30 ,stock 200hp subaru brz rwd ,tuned 215hp bmw e36, and tuned 230hp bmw e46 but in beamng is something wrong)

Only ive found on forums is "how to drift" and i kinda know it

 

What controller do use (keyboard/gamepad/wheel)? Do you have any assists turned on? Does your computer meet the minimal requirements (or are you playing at 30+ FPS)? Are you using any mods? And most importantly, what cars you have actually tried?

BeamNG is quite sensitive to steering input, so going full-lock at higher speeds will obviously result in understeer.

 

No mods , every assist off , minimal requirements meeted , playing around 50-70 fps ,Logitech G29 with shifter , no traffic
Cars :
Etk K-series almost every car
Etk 800 series almost every car
Hirochi sunburst half of the cars
ibishu 200bx tuned base and dirft
Hirochi SBR4 half of the variants
Gavril Barstow
Cherrier FCV some awds with more power than 400 hp
Civetta Bolide Notte
Downloaded Nissan 370Z but its went flying when tries to drift
Downloaded M performance etk 800(engines dies after 40 sec of intense driving )

Also i forgot to say in every car it feels like driving on ice sometimes and even when car have 600 hp after turn around with pedal to the metal engine dies and when driving sideways rpms going down with full throttle
700hp keepz spining wheels
on 1st gear i can drift some cars but on 2nd and above no control , rpms going down and cars trying to be helicopter propelers
--- Post updated ---
Etk K-series "Drift (M) with changed engine from 4.4L V8 ttSport Engine to 3.0L I6 Engine doesnt drift with clutch kick
* on 2nd gear , on 1st its okay

 

yea the notte is pretty good at spinning out
likewise the barstow too
the 200bx drift isnt that bad, takes a bit of control
anyways, maybe you could add the ui of your control inputs (throttle, brake clutch etc) and then do some recording to see where the issue is.
Check your force feedback too and other mapping related stuff
certainly wont say its skill issue, since it happens to me a lot

 

Ok , i will record , but i have problem with some physics , rwd is spining on 2 nd gear , normally on 1st and awd goes straight with clutch kick , low speed understeering slips and lowering rpms to 0 while trying drifting , only tuned hirochi sunburst awd with "drift TC" will do its job but with tc off goes straight
i dont have any problems in gran turismo 5,6 ,forza horizon series and project cars

 

it is quite difficult to drift with a g29 in this game for sure. I have tried and it never really worked. I use a direct drive now and can drift quite well so it may not be as much of a physics issue as it is something having to do with the fact that the ffb for the g29 isn't quite fast enough to get the perfect feeling when drifting. that combined with the problem of not having any other outside sources of movement probably wouldn't help either. so its probably not a skill issue by any means but more likely just an issue with the hardware. also most of the cars listed above are difficult to drift in general i have found. I started drifting with the police interceptor version of the grand marshal and found that is exceptionally good to "relearn" drifting for the game as it is somewhat different than real life.

 

Did you try to setup your FFB via this tutorial: https://www.beamng.com/threads/logi...ion-curve-with-wheelcheck.82157/#post-1371005

 

@menxdpl I feel like your view of what is "realistic" may have been skewed by games like Forza Horizon. BeamNG is one of the most realistic driving games you could choose to own, with few downfalls aside from inaccuracies with tires (not severe enough to hinder your driving experience and make it unrealistic) and a few other very small issues. It simulates things like suspension, chassis flex, and a significant number of other things better than anything else available to the public. I mean no offense by this, but this is almost certainly a skill issue on your side :/

Edit: I completely missed your bit about real-life experience, I agree it's probably a G29 FFB problem.

 

So either skill or FFB issue.

 

nah , its okay

nope , i have said problems with physics , cars doesnt feels like cars but like shopping carts
450 hp hirochi sunburst awd have "drift mode" and ist okay, im drifting but i cant go more agressive turns because rpms lowering
when im deactivate esc completly car goes straight even with clutch kick , after handbrake and kick down its straighten too , every rwd is flying with no control and every one car under 600 hp is laking power when driven sideways, i cant even try reverse drift entry because engine is shutting off
360hp etk k-series kc6 360 with esc off have to slide after kickdown on curve but it takes 5-6 seconds to slide then any touch throttle ends with spin
i have irl bmw f30 xdrive190 hp and with turned off dsc and turned off front wheels it can slide on straight ,for awd its too small amount of horses and i think minimum is 250 for drifting
next thing is on 1st gear drifting is possible in rwds , its like you driving on soap with sponge wheels on plate but its possible ,there is some type of control
2nd gear bad ,no control at all , whatever i do throttling is bad ,and when drifting on 1st , trying to change gear to 2nd ends wtih loosing control , car starts swing etc
on 3rd gear when car slides its like on ice , no control ,car slowly turning around , throttling doesnt work (like you dont have 450 hp but 45 hp)
changing final drive ratio to moment when 1st gear acts like a 2nd working pretty well , speed like on 2nd , cotrol like on 1st but this isnt good at all

 

If he is using a G29 then I am willing to bet that is the issue. The G29 just doesn't really spin fast enough to drift easily... even in games where drifting is easy like Forza Horizon. Most people who do drift with this wheel (really really well) you will find have usually overvolted it to get it to spin fast enough. They also usually don't run the full 900 degrees of rotation. Most usually run 720 degrees because it allows the wheel to spin as fast as it can over a shorter distance which gives it a better chance to actually keep up.

Now... its not impossible to do... don't get me wrong. You can get good at anything. What I am saying is that to drift with a G29/G920 you basically have to grab that wheel and force it into the countersteer faster than the countersteer even turns the wheel. This happens on mine in any game, not just Beam.

As for AWD... honestly... not sure of the issue there as AWD drifting is basically like drifting on cheat mode. Just go take the normal Sunburst... make sure it has more than 500hp and on normal tires, get it up to speed, hit the brakes, turn slightly (while braking), Swing the wheel back the other direction a bit (while still braking), Once the rear breaks loose rev the motor and dump the clutch while still turning into the corner. This should break the tires all loose and just hold it wide open while steering slightly left or right to increse or decrease rotation through the drift. DO NOT COUNTERSTEER unless you just want to snap into the other direction and crash. When AWD drifting, unless drastic action is required, more than 10 degrees of steering in either direction shouldn't be required (unless its rear engined... then you may need some more to cancel the drift).

As a note, suspension setup makes a HUGE difference in how a car handles... how it grips... how it looses grip... how it gains it... how controllable it is... just like real life.

If you want less rear grip:
Add a rear sway bar... increase stiffness to reduce lateral grip (more skid)
Increase Damping Rate... Stiffer rear suspension reduces grip in general
Camber... just for predictability you will want it to be as close to 0 as possible... This helps with acceleration into a drift and good throttle control

If you want more front grip:
Reduce the front sway bar stiffness... you could remove it but I don't recommend that. This allows the wheels to move more independently and follow the road better thus increasing turn in and grip.
Decrease Damping Rate... Same as above... allows the tires to follow the road better increasing grip.
Run some large Castor angle... this helps with self centering forces on the steering
Toe... you will want a little bit of toe out (fronts of tires are further apart) to help with willingness to turn in and change direction... usually 1 to 3 degrees.
Camber... whatever you run, turn the wheels to about 3/4 lock. Which ever wheel would be leading the drift (turn right, right front... turn left, left front) you want the camber at 3/4 lock to be 0 degrees or totally flat contact patch on the ground.

Try some of that stuff, and then report back your findings.

 

Honestly I can’t say I’ve ever had similar problems to this, at least not ones that I didn’t expect or find reasonable.

Your first issue with the Sunburst sounds like you aren’t really doing much to continue the drift but rather expecting an AWD car to continue sliding in one direction even while counter steering in the opposite direction. The car will absolutely straighten out like that because the front wheels are driven. If you read @atv_123 ’s message above he explains exactly how you should go about drifting something AWD. Also it does require a fair bit more power than RWD drifting so if you’re trying to drift with a bone stock Sunburst RS then you may have some trouble.

I personally find that particular config of the K-Series pretty easy to drift, so I’m not sure where you’re finding problems there. I’m not really certain that I’m understanding you issues with gearing for drifting, were you talking about the ETK or just everything? The first gear feeling like you’re on soap in the ETK is understandable if you have the 8 Speed Auto because first is a very short gear.

Moving on to your concerns about nothing having enough power to do a reverse entry, I think you may indeed have a combination of incorrect gearing and tires that are too grippy, but you would still need a fair amount of horsepower to properly try a reverse entry because you do happen to be spinning the wheels in the opposite direction that your car is traveling, it’s gonna take some power, especially if you’re not in first or maybe second gear.

 

Some time passes and when you talking about my skills and how im not learned about drifting and in this time i spend large amount of hours on drifting in beamng with sunburst ,project cars , gran turismo 6 and in real life with my bmw f30 with 190hp sad diesel with automatic transmission drifting on streets and even on racetrack and i dont have any problems...okay its very much problem drift with automatic gearbox but its still possible but very uncomfortable with no clutch.
Guys come on , when you kickdown in awd with only 200hp while steering wheel all way right or left car must slide but in my beamng not , its straighten.
in rwd i can power slide and its end of my fun because any small touch throttle spins car
in sunburst "drift mode" i can only use 1st and 2nd gear because on 3rd i cant take control BUT on 2nd gear with changed gear ratio to the same like 3rd i have control like normal and idk why but i know it shouldnt be that way.
next thing with 500 hp rwd is impossible to stop wheels with full throttle no matter how much you spinning but in my beamng is big lack of power and car stops very quickly
pls help because im living in poland and here its very expensive to drift in real life because penalty is very big on streets (almost half of monthly salary and risk of losing driving license) and race tracks are expensive as well (150pln/hr which is 1/20 minimum monthly salary) so i decided to sim drift but i cant because cars dont want to be realistic