Vehicle Ignition System Changes

titanic4 · Nov 17, 2022

While you're making changes in the ignition system, you could think about adding neutral/clutch safety switch support. Many modern vehicles are equipped with such safety device. The safety switch prevents starter from being used if the car is not in Park, or Neutral(for automatic transmission), or if the clutch pedal isn't held down(for manual transmission).

Zack_13358 · Nov 17, 2022

DamienDutch said: ↑

model t ripoff with handcrank when?
Could actually not be that bad off an idea, cuz there are probably enough guys who wanna mod in old cars/planes wich would use a handcrank.
Click to expand...

YES PLEASE!!! I can't think of any simulation games that have cars from the 1940's and earlier. WE NEED MORE OLDER CARS

Angry_Bird · Nov 17, 2022

Would it change like engine swap mods though?

icycle86 · Nov 19, 2022

Here's an idea, Buses IRL make you wait before ignition. Could you implement that into the Wentward, Possibly the Gavril CB-40 and Capsule bus?

warrick · Nov 19, 2022

Hoo and preheating the diesel engine can be cool but i don't no if its possible or not

icycle86 · Nov 19, 2022

warrick said: ↑

Hoo and preheating the diesel engine can be cool but i don't no if its possible or not
Click to expand...

Yeah

Roundboi24 · Nov 24, 2022

Diamondback said: ↑

Hello everybody,

we are currently working on some large-scale changes to how our ignition system works. Since this is a fairly drastic change that affects many different usage cases, i'd like to avoid developing it in a vacuum.

Here's an overview of how things worked in 0.26:

Ignition was not handled by a central authority, instead the combustion engine powertrain device was controlling it

Any other torque-providers did not care at all about ignition (think electric motors)

Other electric systems within the vehicle generally did not care about anything to do with ignition (lights stayed on etc)

There was no clear indicator which state the ignition was actually in

Assumptions:

I call this particular system "ignition" even though it makes no sense with EVs

I am not going to make 20 different ignition systems like there is IRL

Our ignition system will be based on the traditional 4 position "key-ignition" system

The possible ignition states will be

Off

Accessory Only

On

Starter Motor Engaged

EVs will re-use that and simply ignore the last state

Now, let me show you what I have right now:

Video - Click to Play - Direct Link

Things you can see here:

Using the "V" key (default for ignition) toggles between three ignition states:

Off

Accessory only

Ignition On

HOLDING the V key switches to ignition state "Engage starter" immediately from any state and turns on the engine if possible

Note: You now again have to keep holding the V key to actually turn on the engine, if you release too early, it won't start propely:

Video - Click to Play - Direct Link

The UI app for manipulating the ignition/engine mimicks the behavior of "V" with the same effects of clicking vs holding. Additionally it has the LED to communicate the current ignition state (off -> off, blinking -> acc only, on -> on

All sorts of electrics systems are now affected by different ignition states, lights can't be turned on, brakelights no longer work, screens turn to a different mode or off, etc. Note: The reall ife behavior of these things vary largely between countries and manufacturers. Do not expect a 1:1 real life replication. Adding options here complicates things massively and opens the door to a ton of bugs further down the line.

Notes:

"Arcade" mode automates all these things, no matter what ignition and engine state you are in, the system will automatically make the right adjustments for you and start the engine etc. These super detailed things only really apply to "Realistic" mode

The screens in "Acc only" mode will obviously get some logo or something rather than "NO MATERIAL"...

Now, finally I have a few questions for you:

Currently the ignition toggle order when using V is: OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> ACC ONLY -> OFF -> ... Another idea would be to use: OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> ... What do you prefer?

Is there anything you really feel that is missing from this?

How do you feel about the change from having to press V just once for it to completely turn on the engine to having to HOLD that button for the starter to activate?

Thanks a lot everyone
Click to expand...

DamienDutch · Dec 6, 2022

huh?

DontKnowWhy186 · Dec 7, 2022

Diamondback said: ↑

Now, finally I have a few questions for you:

Currently the ignition toggle order when using V is: OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> ACC ONLY -> OFF -> ... Another idea would be to use: OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> ... What do you prefer?

Is there anything you really feel that is missing from this?

How do you feel about the change from having to press V just once for it to completely turn on the engine to having to HOLD that button for the starter to activate?

Thanks a lot everyone
Click to expand...

Bit late but:
1. OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> ... I don't see myself going to accessories then off
2. I think the abs should be disabled when ignition would be off because the electrics will be off and I think it would make sense to turn abs off along with the other car electrics. And if this hasn't been mentioned how about some warning lights go on when the car starts up. Another one would be tachometer movement. When I had my 2008 lexus is, the tachometers will turn and it looked cool to me. I could see this is quite hard but I will appreciate the new system anyway
3. It feels more realistic, which is the point of Beamng.

bussin.buses · Dec 7, 2022

DontKnowWhy186 said: ↑

Bit late but:
1. OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> OFF -> ACC ONLY -> ON -> ... I don't see myself going to accessories then off
2. I think the abs should be disabled when ignition would be off because the electrics will be off and I think it would make sense to turn abs off along with the other car electrics. And if this hasn't been mentioned how about some warning lights go on when the car starts up. Another one would be tachometer movement. When I had my 2008 lexus is, the tachometers will turn and it looked cool to me. I could see this is quite hard but I will appreciate the new system anyway
3. It feels more realistic, which is the point of Beamng.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I don’t know why you’d go to ACC after OFF

DamienDutch · Dec 8, 2022

bussin.buses said: ↑

Yeah, I don’t know why you’d go to ACC after OFF
Click to expand...

only makes sense for diesel, to get the glowplugs running

Jackets64 · Dec 8, 2022

DamienDutch said: ↑

only makes sense for diesel, to get the glowplugs running
Click to expand...

Oh that would be awesome, imagine you have to heat up your glow plugs first in diesels.

bussin.buses · Dec 8, 2022

Jackets64 said: ↑

Oh that would be awesome, imagine you have to heat up your glow plugs first in diesels.
Click to expand...

Yes. I would love having to heat up the glow plugs. In real life, no, but in BeamNG, it would be so cool!

sticker144 · Dec 11, 2022

Jsap20 said: ↑

If you plan to add car startup chimes and door ajar lights on etc, that would be really interesting. With the T series and DT40L it could have the long electric tone on startup such as this:

Click to expand...

I was going to say this. Startup chimes would be awesome!

BlueLife · Dec 12, 2022

sticker144 said: ↑

I was going to say this. Startup chimes would be awesome!
Click to expand...

thats literally a message from october. eh its still cool to have startup chimes

bussin.buses · Dec 12, 2022

BlueLife said: ↑

thats literally a message from october. eh its still cool to have startup chimes
Click to expand...

Yeah and it could be like horn audio, different for ever car but customizable

sticker144 · Dec 12, 2022

BlueLife said: ↑

thats literally a message from october. eh its still cool to have startup chimes
Click to expand...

I just saw it today and was making sure I wasn’t just posting redundantly

BlueLife · Dec 12, 2022

sticker144 said: ↑

I just saw it today and was making sure I wasn’t just posting redundantly
Click to expand...

also i see you joined today.

sticker144 · Dec 12, 2022

BlueLife said: ↑

also i see you joined today.
Click to expand...

Yes, just joined for update and found the new ignition system lol

BlueLife · Dec 12, 2022

sticker144 said: ↑

Yes, just joined for update and found the new ignition system lol
Click to expand...

have you played beamng for a while but not signed in or. (also we might have to continue this in a convo)

Forums

Mods

Vehicle Ignition System Changes

titanic4
Expand Collapse

Zack_13358
Expand Collapse

Angry_Bird
Expand Collapse

icycle86
Expand Collapse

warrick
Expand Collapse

icycle86
Expand Collapse

Roundboi24
Expand Collapse

DamienDutch
Expand Collapse

DontKnowWhy186
Expand Collapse

bussin.buses
Expand Collapse

DamienDutch
Expand Collapse

Jackets64
Expand Collapse

bussin.buses
Expand Collapse

sticker144
Expand Collapse

BlueLife
Expand Collapse

bussin.buses
Expand Collapse

sticker144
Expand Collapse

BlueLife
Expand Collapse

sticker144
Expand Collapse

BlueLife
Expand Collapse

Useful Searches

Vehicle Ignition System Changes

titanic4 Expand Collapse

Zack_13358 Expand Collapse

Angry_Bird Expand Collapse

icycle86 Expand Collapse

warrick Expand Collapse

icycle86 Expand Collapse

Roundboi24 Expand Collapse

DamienDutch Expand Collapse

DontKnowWhy186 Expand Collapse

bussin.buses Expand Collapse

DamienDutch Expand Collapse

Jackets64 Expand Collapse

bussin.buses Expand Collapse

sticker144 Expand Collapse

BlueLife Expand Collapse

bussin.buses Expand Collapse

sticker144 Expand Collapse

BlueLife Expand Collapse

sticker144 Expand Collapse

BlueLife Expand Collapse

titanic4
Expand Collapse

Zack_13358
Expand Collapse

Angry_Bird
Expand Collapse

icycle86
Expand Collapse

warrick
Expand Collapse

icycle86
Expand Collapse

Roundboi24
Expand Collapse

DamienDutch
Expand Collapse

DontKnowWhy186
Expand Collapse

bussin.buses
Expand Collapse

DamienDutch
Expand Collapse

Jackets64
Expand Collapse

bussin.buses
Expand Collapse

sticker144
Expand Collapse

BlueLife
Expand Collapse

bussin.buses
Expand Collapse

sticker144
Expand Collapse

BlueLife
Expand Collapse

sticker144
Expand Collapse

BlueLife
Expand Collapse