How do BeamNG cars' dimensions compare to the real cars? (thanks to DriftinCovet1987)

About a year ago DC uploaded a file with the car dimensions in Beam (https://www.beamng.com/threads/1953-burnside-special.8996/page-28#post-1185282) and I decided to see how they compare to real vehicles of a similar kind.

I will not compare the height, because in this case it's for the bodyshell itself, with no adjustments for ride height, but everything else will be compared.

Part 1:

Autobello Piccolina:

- Length - when it comes to real-life inspirations, the Piccolina's 357 cm body places it closer to the Fiat 600 (321 cm) than VW Beetle (408 cm), and is basically on par with the Fiat 850 (357.5 cm).

- Wheelbase - 230 cm is far closer to a Beetle (240 cm) than a 600 (200 cm), and in Italian car terms is just 4 cm shy of the compact Fiat 1100.

- Width - according to Covet's measurements, the Piccolina is very wide. At 158 cm, it's a whopping 20 cm wider than a 600, 4 cm above a Beetle and basically as wide as the newer and bigger Fiat 128.

Conclusion: It might be realistically long, but the wheelbase stretches a bit long, and the car is definitely too wide.

Bruckell LeGran:

- Length - pretty realistic, with 482 cm placing between the 1982 A-Body sedan (478) and wagon (484).

- Wheelbase - 269 cm is noticeably above the A-Body (262 cm), but generally nothing major - in fact, it's exactly on par with a 1986 Taurus.

- Width - 177 cm is just 1 cm above the aforementioned GM products.

Conclusion: A normally-sized 80s US midsizer.

Bruckell Moonhawk:

- Length - at 530 cm it's closer to the 4-door 1973 Chevelle (533 cm) than the 2-door one (523 cm), but still a normal midsize car.

- Wheelbase - 285 cm is exactly where the 1973 Chevelle stands.

- Width - at 203 cm the Hawk is very wide, 6.7 cm wider than a 1973 Chevelle (or other A-Body) and right where the 1973 C-Bodies were.

Conclusion: A fictional Chevelle with a Coupe de Ville's width.

Burnside Special:

- Length - a bit shorter than a similar real-life midprice car, the Oldsmobile 88 (514 cm vs 519), but pretty similar.

- Wheelbase - short. 293 cm was no midprice car stuff, and closer to a 1953 Chevy or Ford (292 cm).

- Width - another wide car, with its 202 cm placing 6.6 cm above a 1953 Olds Super 88, and nearly on the Cadillac 60 Special (203.5 cm) level.

Conclusion: Chevy wheelbase, Olds length, Caddy width.

Civetta Bolide:

- Length - 423 cm is a normal figure for a V8 Italian supercar, being just 2.5 cm below a Ferrari 328.

- Wheelbase - could use some shortening, as now it's just 3.5 cm short of a Ferrari Testarossa (252 vs 255.5 cm) in a car that's 26 cm shorter, and a whopping 17 cm above the Ferrari 328.

- Width - 190 cm seems normal, basically right where the Lambo Countach sits (188.7).

Conclusion: Generally a normal 80s Italian supercar. But the long wheelbase...

ETK I-Series:

- Length - a pretty normal 467 cm, right in the middle between an E28 (462) and an E34 (472).

- Wheelbase - same. 268 cm, while the E28 had 262.5 and the E34 - 276.

- Width - 171 cm is much closer to an E28 (170 cm) than an E34 (175 cm), but the general principle applies.

Conclusion: A car whose debut year places it between the E28 and E34, and so do the dimensions.

ETK K-Series:

- Length - a bit long for a small 2-seater (444 cm is right where the real 2-Series sits), and 20 cm above the real Z4 E89. But it's still smaller than the current 458 cm Mercedes SL.

- Wheelbase - is this where the extra length went? 264 cm, 5 cm below the 2er and 15 above the Z4 (and 5 below the SL).

- Width - another w i d e car. 190 cm, over 8 more than the already-wide R172 SLK, and 2.3 cm more than the aforementioned SL.

Conclusion: too short for an SL rival, a bit too wide for one.

ETK 800-Series:

- Length - basically an F31 3-Series, just 7 cm longer (469 vs 462) than one.

- Wheelbase - also similar, at 285 cm vs the real BMW's 281.

- Width - much narrower than the K-Series, thus just 3 cm wider than the real 3-Series (184 cm, not 181).

Conclusion: A BMW F31 by another name.

Gavril Barstow:

- Length - why is it so long? 490 cm is 14 cm more than a 1969 Mustang and 9 cm over a 1971. In fact, the car is closer in length to the midsize 1969 Chevelle (501 cm) than the compact 1969 Mustang.

- Wheelbase - the length went into overhangs. 275 cm is right between 274 cm ('69 Mustang) and 277 cm ('71 Mustang).

- Width - the Barstow is even wider than the 1971 "Clydesdale" Mustang, beating its 188 cm by 4 cm, and just 2 cm below the midsize 1970 Ford Torino.

Conclusion: The Barstow would have been a normal pony car, but its bodywork got a near-midsize stretch.

Gavril Bluebuck:

- Length: it's long. 547 cm sits noticeably above Chevrolet's 1964 fullsize line (533 cm), or even the Pontiac Catalina (541 cm).

- Wheelbase - more like a 1964 Chevy. The big Chevrolets rode on 302.5 cm of WB, while the Bluebuck has a 300 cm wheelbase.

- Width - the Gavril is even wider than the "Wide Track" Pontiacs, measuring 202 cm to a 1964 Bonneville's 201.2, or 1964 Impala's 198.4 cm.

Conclusion: Is it a low-priced car with a big body, or a nicer midprice one with a short wheelbase?

Hirochi Sunburst:

- Length - 436 cm is short for an international Japanese compact. A 2008 Lancer or Impreza measures 457, but the figure is pretty similar to the 2008 JDM Toyota Corolla Axio (439 cm), and just 6 cm above a 2008 Yaris sedan.

- Wheelbase - 257 cm is, once again, far closer to an Axio (260 cm) than a Lancer (264) or Impreza (262). Then again, it's even closer to a 2008 Yaris sedan (255).

- Width - right below the Japanese limit (170 cm), where the Axio sits, but much too narrow for international standards (176 for a 2008 Lancer, 174 for an Impreza), and something that the Westerners would see in a small car, like a Yaris or Fit/Jazz.

Conclusion: What is a JDM compact doing as a "compact" in America and Europe?

 

Sunburst would look better if it's RHD so it's properly meant for Japanese roads.

 

I wouldn´t think that the Moonhawk, Bluebuck, Grand Marshall are so massive... The Bluebuck has almost 5,5 meters!

 

Part 2:

Cherrier FCV:

- Length - 440 cm is a bit long for a compact hatchback; then again, the latest Peugeot 308 is 436.7 cm long.

- Wheelbase - 267 cm is more or less the WB of the latest 308.

- Width - why is it so wide? The real life 3rd gen 308 is already pushing it at 185 cm, but the Vivace is 189 cm wide and the Tograc adds another 2 cm to that. This means that they're about as wide as the current BMW 7-Series (190 cm).

Conclusion: It's a long compact, but its width definitely isn't compact.

Gavril Grand Marshal:

- Length - at 535 cm it's just a bit shorter than a real 1992 Crown Vic (540 cm) or Caprice (544 cm).

- Wheelbase - this time it's a bit longer than in reality; 299 cm is 8 cm more than a Crown Vic and 5 more than a Caprice, and it's actually more than in a 1992 Town Car (298 cm).

- Width - another dimension that's slightly above real ones; at 201 cm the GM is wider than even the Caprice (198 cm).

Conclusion: A bit shorter and wider than the real cars, but acceptable; but what is a Town Car wheelbase doing here?

Gavril D-Series (regular cab, SWB):

- Length - acceptable; 503 cm, while a 1992 C1500 was 494 cm and a 1992 F-150 was 500 cm long.

- Wheelbase - 299 cm is just 6 mm more than in the real Chevy.

- Width - 196 cm, just 9 mm more than the C1500.

Conclusion: It's a Chevy with protection from copyright lawsuits.

Gavril D10 Charro:

- Length and wheelbase - the wheelbase might be similar to the 1987 Bronco (270 cm vs 266), but the Charro is far longer (480 cm instead of 458). It may be closer in length to a 1992 Blazer (477.5 cm), but then the wheelbase is much shorter (the Blazer had 283 cm).

- Width - as before, basically the same as a Chevy.

Conclusion: It could use some overhang removal.

Gavril D30 Kentarch:

- Length - at 535 cm it's similar to the real Centurion Fords (542 cm).

- Wheelbase - similar to the Ford, but this time it's longer (360 cm vs 356).

- Width - once again, Chevy C/K.

Conclusion: It's basically a Centurion Classic with better space utilization.

Gavril Roamer (SWB, no data for LWB):

- Length - at 505 cm it's just 0.5 cm shorter than that of a GMT400 Tahoe.

- Wheelbase - once again just 0.6 cm shorter than the real Chevy.

- Width - C h e v r o l e t.

Conclusion: A GMT400 Tahoe with an Expedition body for copyright reasons.

Gavril H-Series (SWB van):

- Length - 545 cm is right between a 1992 Econoline (539 cm) and a 1996 Express (556 cm).

- Wheelbase - quite long for an SWB van; 361 cm is 18 more than in the Chevy and 22 more than in the Ford.

- Width - pretty wide. At 207 cm it adds 6 cm to the width of an Econoline or Express.

Conclusion: Normal length over a long wheelbase and in a wide body.

Gavril H-Series (LWB van):

- Length - basically the same as an Econoline (590 cm instead of 589).

- Wheelbase - long once again; for example, 410 cm is 16 more than in the Chevy's case.

- Width - refer to SWB model.

Conclusion: Bigger van, same issues.

Hirochi SBR4:

- Length - pretty short for a 4-seater with a rear engine. 425 cm is 20 cm shorter than a 2012 911, or about as much as a Toyota GT86 (424 cm).

- Wheelbase - now this is long for something with a rear engine. 249 cm is 4 cm more than in the much longer Porsche 911.

- Width - at 180 cm the remastered version matches the 2012 911 Carrera (181 cm),

Conclusion: An acceptably-wide sports car with either a too short body or a too long wheelbase.

Ibishu 200BX:

- Length - at 435 cm it's a short car - 17 cm less than a 1st gen 240SX, and 4 cm less than something as short as a 1st gen Eclipse.

- Wheelbase - despite the car itself being much shorter than the 240, its wheelbase is actually 5 cm longer (252 vs 247 cm).

- Width - unlike the 240SX, but like a Toyota Celica, the 200BX breaks the Japanese compact car limit of 170 cm by measuring 174.

Conclusion: Wide and short body, long wheelbase. Maybe some overhangs would help?

Ibishu Covet:

- Length - basically the same as a real 1988 Civic; 392 cm instead of 396.5.

- Wheelbase - at 250 cm it's exactly the same as a Civic.

- Width - by being pushed to the 170 cm limit, it's now closer to midsize cars than compacts like the Civic (167 cm) or Corolla (166 cm).

Ibishu Miramar:

- Length - at 432 cm it's too long to be a mid-60 Japanese midsize car (like the 399 cm Skyline or 407 cm Corona), but too short for a fullsize (Cedric - 468 cm, Crown - 461 cm). It does, however, match the later executive cars (Luce - 437 cm, Laurel - 431 cm, Corona Mark II - 430 cm).

- Wheelbase - same story as before. At 254 cm it's too long for midsize (Corona - 242 cm, Skyline - 239 cm) and too short for fullsize (Crown and Cedric - 269 cm), but good for an exec (Luce - 250 cm, Corona Mark II - 251 cm).

- Width - now this is big. 167 cm may be on par with the Crown (170 cm) or Cedric (169 cm), but these were much bigger cars.

Conclusion: What if the Luce or Corona Mark II existed earlier, but had a big car's width?

Ibishu Pessima (old):

- Length - at 453 cm it's just 1 cm longer than a 1989 Camry, but 16 cm shorter than an Accord.

- Wheelbase - 263 cm is, once again, close to the Camry (260 cm) and much shorter than an Accord (272 cm).

- Width - 170 cm, which means it's still hung up on the JDM compact car legislation and not up to international standards (like the 172.5 cm Accord).

Conclusion: Basically a Camry.

Ibishu Pessima (new):

- Length - at 481 cm it's basically the same as a 1998 Accord (480 cm) or Camry (477 cm).

- Wheelbase - 270 cm fits right between the Camry (267 cm) and Accord (272 cm).

- Width - 178 cm is just 6 mm less than the Camry or Accord.

Conclusion: It is what it is, a cross between an Accord and a Camry.

Ibishu Pigeon:

- Length - 328 cm is above the 1980s kei car regulations (320 cm), but exactly as much as the 1986 Suzuki Super Carry (international version of the Carry).

- Wheelbase - 211 cm, far longer than a Carry/Super Carry (184 cm), and closer to a Reliant Robin (216 cm).

- Width - 138 cm, right below the 140 cm limit for kei cars.

Conclusion: A 3-wheel take on the "international kei truck" genre?

 

damn you were bored werent you

 

The way i see it, the piccolina was basically "if the italians built the beetle", so the floorpan is effectively the same length, but the overhangs are much sorter and blunter, to aid tight-maneuvering.

as for the bolide, like I've mentioned elsewhere, the reason for its long wheelbase is likely the longitudinal engine layout, unlike similar cars such as the ferrari 308 and lamborghini jalpa, which were transversely mounted.
If you compare it to the detomaso pantera however, a somewhat similar car with the correct engine layout, it makes a bit more sense.
the pantera's wheelbase comes in on 2500mm, pretty close to the 2520 of the bolide.
the length is close as well, late models were 4270mm, making it only 40mm short.
finally, the pantera's also a bit skinnier, at 1810mm wide, but that likely comes with being an earlier body design.
so overall, not actually that far-fetched, now that I look at it.

For the ETK K, the wheelbase and width can be explained by the Mercedes SLS and GT.
their wheelbases come in at 2680 and 2630, the K hovers between them at 2640.
widthwise, 1939 from both mercs (with the AMG GTR thiccer at 2007), the K series sits 4cm narrower at 1900.
the ETK K series seems to have been designed as a compromise between various supercars and grand tourers, so it's actually fine. so long as they fix that horrendous nose it has!

I'm surprised by how small the sunburst is, but I think I've figured out why.
Remember how Gabe once said the SBR was meant to have a "modern drivetrain with 90's body weight"? it looks like the sunburst is the same thing, a 90s Impreza's wheelbase is 2520mm, and a lancer's is 2500, both just barely short of the sunburst's 2570.
as far as length, it's the same deal, 4340 from the Subaru, and 4310 from the Mitsubishi, to the sunburst's 4360.
and widthwise, it's the same deal, both RL cars come in at 1690mm, with the sunburst at a nice round 1700.
realistically, it doesn't make sense for a modern car of that size to come with a 2.0 engine, but at least there's some reasoning behind it.

on the topic of the pigeon being "export length", I've noticed before that if you remove either one of the bumpers, it fits lengthwise into the kei regulations.
that's interesting, because most equivalent kei trucks, and even the piaggio ape, don't come with rear bumpers, instead they have the taillights mounted on a metal apron under the tailgate, which is part of the rear tub structure.
if they're planning on making a USDM mail truck version of the pigeon, I hope they give it hilariously large hovercraft bumpers, like a grumman LLV, then do away with the bumper on the JDM versions.

you know the developers have done a good job with accuracy, when rather than players complaining about terrible overall design like GTA players, we're complaining about cars being 10cm too wide.

 

What about the widebody Panteras?

Imprezas were sold with engines as big as 2,5.

 

we're talking in terms of non-widebody bolides, so we talk in terms of non-widebody panteras.

true, but what i'm saying is that with the efficiency increase, modern cars in that size class don't tend to have such large engines.

 

yeah dude like... cars totally have sizes man
that's kinda cool

 

MrInformativeDude

 

Then why is it so wide? It's on the level of a 70s compact car.

I still think that it's just a sporty version of a small JDM compact, as these have existed.

"The Axio GT is a version based on Corolla Axio based on the Axio N2 race car. It includes turbocharged 1NZ-FE engine rated 150 PS (110 kW; 148 bhp) and 196 N⋅m (145 lb⋅ft), intercooler, 5-speed manual transmission, TRD Sportivo suspension, 'GT' emblem, leather shift knob, 'TRD Turbo' aero grill, front spoiler, side mud guard, TF4 17-inch wheels with Michelin Pilot Preceda PP2 215/45R17 tires, rear spoiler, drive monitor, grey interior, enhanced clutch cover.[8] The vehicle went on sale in February 2009 in Japan"

The question is, why is it in the USA?

 

let's be real though, 20mm a side is a negligible difference.
if you parked two cars end to end, I doubt you could realistically tell the difference.

ah yes, the the toyota axio GT rival, with a 2.0 engine, AWD, and a massive evo/WRX wing on the back, not to mention rally and hillclimb versions.

 

So, basically, what I take is that some (or a lot) of the cars might be a bit too wide? also, I wonder about the height of some of the vehicles too.

 

That explains why the Sunburst has such a terrible handling with race tires. It is too narrow for it's weight and CG height.

 

Sbr4 is a flat 4, and top of the line makes around 450hp iirc. 911 is flat 6, over 700hp top of the line. Sbr4 is not as high end, which is probably why its smaller.

 

I never understood why these sorts of stats aren't in the base game's reported stats... We have weight, but info on the cars geometry would be nice to have. I'd rather see geometry information for off-road configs than the "off-road score" we have now.

 

If it's supposed to be for tight Italian streets, we're not talking 4 cm, we are talking more like 10. That's a major difference in cars.

Toyota simply wasn't active in performance stuff in 2007, and when it comes to the Corolla, it still isn't.

 

hahahahahahahahahahahaha thanks for ruining every car in beamng for me

 

The vivace is very big compared to the 800 series.

 

The 800 should get either a wider cabin/roof or be enlarged to a more 5-series like size and the vivace be narrowed in general.