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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by BIG COUNTRY3600, Sep 8, 2020.

  1. iplaybeam

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    Tell that to nvidia when they are about to launch the RTX 30's series to compete with consoles
     
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  2. Sithhy™

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    While, yes, the Xbox & PS5 could run BeamNG as they seem to be powerful enough, the sheer amount of buttons to be bound would be too much for a controller, so you would need to rebind some buttons for specific car actions, which I don't think would be the best user experience
     
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  3. Phym

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    Didn't some lunatic get Beam on one though?
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    Like I use an Xbox One controller but still need to use my keyboard sometimes.
     
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  4. ManfredE3

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    The key bindings is just a non-issue. You can get all of the important bits on a controller in the current state of the game even though it hasn't even been optimized for it. It just is not as issue.

    There's plenty of people who want the game on console, as evident by the fact that threads like these get made about once every other week and comments on Youtube and the like are spammed with this request to the same extent as a modern Civetta, modern D-Series, and multiplayer. The demand is obviously there.

    As for the "just buy a PC".... Do I even have to address this? Seriously? Why is this even an argument against anything?.. "Just buy more stuff, it's not like several hundred or even thousand USD is much money".... Telling people "no, just buy a gaming PC" as a blanket argument against a console release is straight up absurd.

    The issue is development recources. Splitting the already small team to make a branch of the WIP game for every OS people ask for, plus dev kit and publishing costs, is a lot for an indie team. It just is not reasonable to take that on right now.
     
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  5. Phym

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    PC still faster tho, money aside. You would get better performance for building a $1000 PC(Ryzen 5 or 7, Core i5 or i9) with the 3070 will yield better performance over consoles.
    Unless you're on such a tight budget that you can't spend $200-$300 go buy a console. If you can, buy or build a PC.
    Bemng won't get to console anytime soon, even if it could be run on them.
     
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  6. ManfredE3

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    There are plenty of people that can't afford to buy a bunch of devices. For most people, a smart phone, school or work laptop, and a gaming console is enough. It's perfectly reasonable to not want to go out and buy another computer dedicated to gaming when they already own a gaming console for everything else they want to play. Saying "just buy a new device" is not reasonable for a lot of people; it doesn't matter how affordable it would be when they already own a gaming console and don't want another gaming device for a single game.

    Most people don't have $1000 USD to throw at an enthusiast computer, especially when they already bought a $500 next gen console for the whole family to play everything else.
     
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  8. DonDaCrafter5246

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    Honestly a computer that costs less than $200-$300 will most certainly NOT run BeamNG at any PLAYABLE level. Settings turned down all the way? Good luck playing on a map other than Gridmap or Grid Small Pure with more than 30 FPS. A $300 laptop will not run anything compared to a used $150 last gen console.
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    Adding onto that even if you were to build a PC for that much, unless you're stupidly lucky with local deals good luck getting something to run BeamNG at a decent price!
     
  9. ManfredE3

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    $300 is not going to get you PS5 levels of performance on a PC. There are plenty of reasons to get a console over a PC; if there wasn't then the Switch wouldn't be such a big hit and the next gen consoles wouldn't be such a big deal. Consoles are generally better for families due to size, simplicity of use, access to titles, limited ways a kid can do something stupid on it, and so on. For many people, consoles are the way to go. I don't see any draw to consoles myself, but if I had $500 to get an entertainment set up for a family, there's no way I'd ever choose a PC over a console.

    I imagine the draw to consoles will get even stronger in 5-10 years judging by how powerful the upcoming ones are for their price. Considering that this is the timeline for any hypothetical console releases, it's just that much more reason to go for it.

    Depends on your definition of "playable". I use to own an Asus Q550LF and it ran the game well on minimum settings with a couple of cars spawned. Refurbished ones start at $300 nowadays. Used GTX 1070's can be had for cheap nowadays as well, one could always toss one into a used PC and have a decent gaming experience.
     
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  10. P_enta

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    Buy a used pc
     
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  11. Phym

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    Ah shit I meant if you spend $200-$300 more than the $500-$700 consoles, going back to building a $1000 PC with a 3070 will run beamng perfectly.
     
  12. P_enta

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    Or buy a used one.
     
  13. iplaybeam

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    you don't need 1000 usd for a gamer, thats only for new parts + accessories.
    you need like 500 usd to run beam, not if you want to run everything at max.
    Even then, used pc parts exist and with the rtx 30's series, you can grab a gtx 10's series for cheaper while having peformance.
     
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    I already mentioned that it is possible to get a PC that can run Beam for cheap:
    However, at this moment, a PS5 is going to run you about $100 cheaper than an equivalent PC (Source) and if this trajectory continues, consoles will be an even better deal as we approach the gen after upcoming, which is when this conversation might actually matter.

    But none of that actually even is of any concern, because under no circumstances should "just buy more devices" be an accepted answer to the average consumer. Think of your typical family with average disposable income who perhaps has a 10 year old kid that wants to play BeamNG. Is "just buy the kid a gaming PC" really a reasonable suggestion to them? It is not. At all. They want a single gaming device for the living room that everyone can plug & play whatever games they have without fear that the kid will download a virus or something onto. Consoles sell very well (Source) and are only doing better with time (Source) and it is therefore a massive market to tap into. Telling all 110 million PS4 owners to forgo the PS5 and instead "just go on ebay and buy a used 1070 and shove it into a thrift store computer" is not going to expand the target base of the game.
     
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  15. P_enta

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    They arent making it for console. it would require a huge engine overhaul and its not worth it.
     
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  16. iplaybeam

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    bruh what kind of family wants a single device for entertainment? that's for the lower class.
    also, what family would buy a kid a gaming pc, the kid probably has his own disposable income from running a business in normal times. o̶r̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶s̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶k̶i̶d̶ ̶m̶a̶d̶e̶ ̶c̶a̶s̶h̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶e̶x̶t̶o̶r̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶c̶l̶a̶s̶s̶m̶a̶t̶e̶s̶ ̶b̶y̶ ̶b̶l̶a̶c̶k̶m̶a̶i̶l̶.̶
     
  17. kwai38

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    i hope this is sarcasm
     
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  18. iplaybeam

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    its sarcasm
     
  19. kwai38

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    thank god lol
     
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  20. ManfredE3

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    It wouldn't be an engine overhaul, the game can't run on every OS it could be ported to no matter what you do to the engine. There would need to be a seperate branch.

    I'm not convinced it isn't worth it. Look at the amount this is suggested, obviously there's a large untapped market segment willing to throw their (or their parent's) wallets at TDev for a console port. Of course I'm not about to run all the numbers for the company to see if it is definetly worth the huge investment it would be, and obviously a seperate branch wouldn't be feasible to even consider until the game is "done", but from a business perspective this is something that must be considered.

    Looking at other games, Wreckfest on console was a big sucess and Snowrunner on console was a monumental sucess, it became a mainstream game. Obviously Bugbear has THQ and Saber has Focus to do the publishing and marketing, but the point remains that these were very sucessful.
     
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