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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by crazikyle, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. LucasBE

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    What leads me to think that there are fake exhaust tips is the fact that on the sportier models, the tips look too 'plasticky' (Is it how you spell it?).
    Also there are no tips on the actual exhaust :
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  2. SuperAusten64

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    Seeing as though the Bluebuck got multiple body styles there is a possibility the Vivace will get a three-door version, and if not you can be assured someone will make a mod that adds one.
     
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  3. 95Crash

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    Agreed =)

    By the way, I actually like the car having 4 doors, but that's just me.
     
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  4. Cutlass

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    damn! petrol, diesel and electric versions? Exciting
    Baguette! wewewe
     
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  5. 95Crash

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    Thanks for the information about the exhaust thing =)
     
  6. Ai'Torror

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    I really like the idea of the new vehicle! Especially the modularity of it, I can already see a crossover variant of it or reusing the whole drivetrain in a whole different body for a small MPV for example, great modding potential.

    Visual design of that car though is very much not my favorite part about it, that's for sure since I prefer a more toned down look similar to the new clio, but I do appreciate what has been done and it most definitely looks like something peugot-like company would do, great job with that as well!

    Now onto drivetrain, lets start with suspension, especially the rear one (or ones I should say) - often modern hatchbacks and small SUVs will have a different rear suspension assembly for FWD and AWD models, look at dacia duster for example. FWD models use a very common in french cars Torsion Beam rear suspension, while 4wd duster uses double wishbone or some variation of it. Its often done to preserve trunk space for the FWD models, since lack of differential allows for mounting a spare tire in the trunk, or adding additional storage under the floor.
    Now onto the rear brakes, again I will use the Clio IV and V as an example: More basic models, like the 1.0 TCE or the old 0.9 TCE used Drum Brakes in the rear, which is definitely a great french compact car quirk to include in the game... Drum brakes in 2020 am I right?!

    Engines wise I'm concerned about one thing as well, that is the "just slap some different ecu and make moar powah" - Sure that works for an Audi, BMW or a Ford, but french tend to do stuff a little differently from what I observed over the years. Sure there are a lot of different power options for supposedly one engine option... however, its not just the engine tune! Sometimes just the engine block with its internals stays the same on the whole engine range (not always) Quite often for power increase of over 5-10hp they will use different turbochargers, intercoolers, injectors and ECU since modern engines are engineered to be as efficient as possible, why would they waste the energy on spining up an excessively large turbocharger for the lower output engine? Often the same 1.3 or whatever engine goes into 10 or more different cars, so making different turbos and other accessories unique to power specification isn't a big deal costs wise and it may even save the manufacturer some money. (as we are on topic of engines... some stuff regarding renaults and their engines variations is truly weird, like in late 90s, when mk1 megane saw the daylight some of the available engine options had 2 engine block options, depending on if you got AC or you didn't - since AC equipped cars had different accessories mounts such as an alternator and AC compressor and guess what... they of course made the mounts a part of the engine block casting, so you can't easily just throw an AC compressor onto a car without AC from factory.)

    I think you get the point of this post by now, to me french cars are amazing to me mostly due to the weirdnesses you find when you get to know them a little bit better.

    I really do look forward to seeing if you guys (devs) manage to pull of the exact feeling of a french compact car (hint: much different than any german car in the way it drives, especially the way they go about turbo 3 cyl engines).
     
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  7. Diamondback

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    Or it could be a fresh car we wanted to make... :rolleyes:
     
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  8. aljowen

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    1.0l 3cyl engines typically make in the 90hp-120hp region in most road cars. However, there are hatchbacks with bigger 4cyl engines that make less power.

    For example, on the Hyundai I20 the 1.0l 3cyl engine is the quickest one:
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    Granted the I20 is smaller than the Cherrier Vivace. But stranger things have existed irl.

    So while there are no NA engines which rules out the 1.5l as being slower, I started the range at 80hp to account for the possibility of there being a (dangerously) slow entry level option with a detuned engine.

    For example VAG sell their 1l 3cyl engine in both 95hp and 115hp variants across their many brands.
     
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  9. 95Crash

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    Yay, goodbye spam post.
     
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  10. Diamondback

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    Not quite ;)
     
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  11. Cutlass

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    will the I3 have an available turbo? or the diesels?
     
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    No offense, but General Car Discussion might be a good place to talk this as well.
     
  13. Cutlass

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    In this photo, I noticed that the versions are different: green is the EV yellow is the petrol/diesel
    (I highlighted the differences)
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  14. aljowen

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    Interesting, so I guess that means its going to get Audi 2.5l i5 levels of power then xD

    On a slightly (un)related note. I'm just gonna mention Clio V6 and hope that gives someone on the dev team an idea for the future...
     
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  15. SuperAusten64

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    Was that not obvious?
     
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  16. Cutlass

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    the clio V6 was a late 2000's 3 door car with very different look to the vivace.
    The Vivace is a early 2020's 5 door hatch, so unlikely
     
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  17. aljowen

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    Hyundai have pulled a "Clio V6" this year by developing a mid engine Veloster (Which uses an I30 hatchback platform). So I don't think its impossible lore wise for a French company to take their existing I5 engine and mount it behind the front seats just like in the Clio V6.
    It would be a significant amount of work for the devs for sure, but it would make for something a little bit special as a prototype racer, or just as a skunkworks type project.
     
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  18. skodakenner

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    I really like it! Espacially those design cues where you see so many new cars. A bit Ford a bit McLaren with the lights and alot of french car bits. (No its not meant to be a what car would this be thing)
     
  19. Falkrum

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    Both a petrol configs, yellow is Vivace S model.
     
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  20. Ai'Torror

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    *cough* Last Gen Megane Trophy *cough*
     
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