Engine lugging

Discussion in 'Ideas and Suggestions' started by Kookas, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. Kookas

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    In real life, if you drive an ICE vehicle at too low RPM, the vehicle will lurch and stumble and maybe stall.

    Cars in Beam seem perfectly smooth at all RPMs. Would be nice if they were a little less forgiving at low RPM.
     
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  2. Slammington

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    Cars will stall at low RPM, and I'm fairly certain they will lurch under certain conditions too, this just won't happen with the gearbox assistants enabled (At least I think I've experienced these things, do correct me if I'm wrong)
     
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  3. Kookas

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    I just retried it. I can drive the beater Covet from a stop in 3rd gear, release the clutch fully at 8mph (< 1000rpm) and it will smoothly accelerate up to speed, no stalling or lugging. No assistants enabled at all. Same sort of thing with other cars.

    Actually, below 1000rpm, the cars do seem to lug just looking at RPM - the tachometer is very unstable. But they smooth out as soon as they hit 1000rpm, and the car never actually lurches even when the RPM appears to show lugging.
     
  4. Dr. Death

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    Are you sure you dont have clutch assist? in my game every car absolutely lugs and stalls at low RPM.
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    Also, as for the 1k RPM mark, its because that's a stable idle point. Almost everything but race cars will be stable and smooth at that point.
     
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  5. cameronL57

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    Ive been experiencing this too it seems like the engine sound isn’t accurate to the actual rpm’s. This is also affecting the rev limiter sounds by not getting that aggressive throttle cut sound
     
  6. fufsgfen

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    Engines don't stall or lurch because there is 100% of engine's torque available in such situations without touching the throttle:


    Most fun is BX200 with Pickup engine though, you can send it backwards down the hill, then pop the clutch at 1st gear without touching the throttle and engine will not stall, tires loose traction before Pickup engine stalls.


    It might be because of gameplay reasons, but do any of those experiments IRL successfully and you will get a penny.

    Well, actually lugging engine is actually possible, you just need to make sure that there is enough big gear in or hill etc.
     
  7. Dr. Death

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    Nah, that's realistic. Its average american diesel torque
     
  8. fufsgfen

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    In a gasoline engine! o_O Well, yeah, they actually did that a lot :D

    But as you did notice, flywheel torque climbs to value which is maximum available on torque curve, while idling such old tech engine probably would have only fraction of maximum torque available without touching throttle.
     
  9. Dr. Death

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    Yeah its all very odd. I thought beamng had a crazy accurate side tire slip physics and engine braking physics, but i could be wrong. As long as the devs take notice of your posts to make the game better it would be cool.
     
  10. Michaelflat

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    On electronic throttle cars, idle torque is close to full torque at that rpm, on private land I quite enjoy just chucking the car into a higher gear and it'll pull itself along, despite the rpm dropping to around 500rpm.. Mashing the gas probably won't do much difference..

    I think at this low rpm, the octane of the gasoline/petrol will change things a lot, high load low rpm you are asking for knock, and thus if you have bad gas, it'll knock stall lurch and bang.. (and won't be nice!)
     
  11. Dr. Death

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    Woudln't at idle the engine have the torque of that RPM mixed with the % of it depending on the amount of air that is incoming to the cylinders?
     
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