WIP Electric Autobello Piccolina

Discussion in 'Land' started by umb3rt0, May 24, 2019.

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Do you want an electric Autobello?

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  1. SuperShep1

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    I agree with crown, but i also agree with tobias, electric car are fun to use once in a while, i spent the weekend on a trip in a model x, it was fun, but the long drives were so boring because it was so quiet. we did get a lot of attention with the doors. it was fast too
     
  2. tobias95ng

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    Google power to liquids

    In Power to liquid plants is co2 used to produce oil and gas
    here you can theoretcaly get a nagative co2 value with material tax wich pump the overproduced oil back into the oil quels sou you basicaly invert the process a batery vehicle can only dream about this

    the only thing we need to stop is grab the foccile recouces and materials on E- kind of vehicle you stil do thzat on masses it cchqanges nothing big landscapes get destroyed by mining and wasting the baterys after 5 jears

    on e-garbage vehicles they have worke just with an wxcuse to terminate the other to gow
    this is how capitalism works

    w never will buy any new car anymore
    pople who think to buy wvery year or every 5 new have absolutly no clue

    (low centre of greavety doesnt help by the grip loss it only copenste roling you cant wipe
    the weight away)
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    you inly get atention with idividualety but all new cars an espacilaly e-vehicle are literaly all the same grey smudge no sond no stimulation of the senses they are as interesting as
    my bmw 325ci makes more fun by turn the starter key and idiling
    than a e-vehicle in the whole live :p
     
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  3. 98crownvic

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    I'm sorry, I know you're from Germany, but I really can't understand the points you're trying to make.
     
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  4. Tom Foolery

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    From what I can understand, he's talking about power-to-gas, or P2G, which lets you turn CO2 from the atmosphere into methane, and from that into longer hydrocarbons like gasoline. After that, though, I can't tell.
     
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  5. tobias95ng

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    https://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2019/april/can-co2-eor-really-provide-carbon-negative-oil.html

    this is one artikle in the way i mean well i hadnt time to read it completly but this is some of the idea

    And this is the way to capture the co2 we already released
     
  6. ARES IV

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    exhaust sound I am sure the neighbourhood does approve if you are not that loud
    intake sound Nobody misses the sounds of steam locomotives either. And why would
    you? It is a primitive form of movement.

    individuality of sound Most EVs can create more diversity of sound than any ICE. Including silent
    hunting.


    engine caracteristics Different... and superior for everday driving as well as performance.
    shifting So what? The love for manual is a quite european phenomena in the first place.
    clutch There is also the brutal fact that multiple gears are in fact a crutch for the ICEs
    very limited effective rev range.... you always have to choose between fuel
    economy and power as you cant have both. There is no reason why going to
    and maintaining 100 should require 3 - 8 gears. Added mechanical complexity
    and points of failure... just so that you can work arround the shortcominings of
    the engine operarting principle.



    vaerty of engines Only if you mean the lack of notable engine flaws like gasolines low power at
    at low RPM or diesels lack of power at high RPM. Also electric motors do in
    fact have a huge variety..... just look arround you.


    modifikation abylity Assuming you mean tuning the engine for more power that is actually great.
    As a buyer of used cars I have zero interest in some wanna be racer creating
    undue wear on the engine by running it above specifications. Not to mention
    that for modern cars you mostly speak about electronic tuning in the first place
    which doesnt change. Now... if you want to spent the value of a good used car
    in major hardware replacement.... go ahead... it is not my money to burn.



    tuning parts You probably mean those cheap aftermarket intakes/exhaust that often
    decrease power but create a lot of embarassing noise?
    Meanwhile visual tuning is just as possible as before.

    handling gone (like a brick) This is simple not correct. For a car guy, your understanding
    of driving physics is rather limited it seems.
    Handling in principal is independent of engine type. The suspension quality
    does not depend on the engine. The only thing that going electric changes is
    weight distribution. Which can be made superior to any ICE because there is
    actually no need to have a heavy engine and gearbox + auxilaries all together
    in one place. Ohh... and a lower center of gravity also helps.

    But but... the eSBR handles poorly! Yes it does... but then it is a conversion
    that in many ways has the worst of both worlds combined.



    fast refuiling Yet with up to 500 KW of high speed chargers on the horizon and with
    batteries approaching 500 km range this is becoming less of an issue. We are
    looking at 15 - 20 minutes to coninue driving for another 400 kilometers and
    those values are improving futher and further.

    high vmax Which is a moot point as 99 % of the public streets on the world have a speed
    limit that is easily reached by even the most modest of engines. With an
    increasing change to come to Germany in the not so distant future, too.
    The is also no unsolvable technical reasons of that. In fact, all high speed
    on the entire world are electric powered. Reasons being superior efficiency
    and the resulting much lower need of a cooling solution. If you want an ICE to
    deliver 100 KW of power... you have to remove at least 200 KW of waste heat.
    Which is possible but expensive both in price, mass and space. The largest
    freight train in the world is electric.... diesels simple couldnt deliver the
    necessary power within the given mass and space limitations.

    long fast driving Global street speed limits? High speed trains? It is a design decision.... not a
    technical requirement. If you want to build an electric car that can do 350 km/h
    (or more) you can build it.


    user maintanance friendly On modern cars... that has to be a joke. How does the average guy service
    the engine? And it is the engine we speak about here because that is the
    only thing that really changes. Windshield washer fluid and all the other
    non engine related stuff doesnt change in the slightest. Bulp replacement?
    In the age of LED? Where the lamps will probably outlast the car by decades?
    Even if.... that is still engine unrelated.
    The best you can hope for is doing an oil replacement... which just happens
    to be a moot point for EVs in the first place.

    EV simple require far less maintainance in the first place as far as the engine
    is concerned. That is precisly why probably half the job losses in the car
    industry will not be production but service based. Still, one cannot stop the
    technological advance and all attempts of trying are futile. The future has to be
    shaped.... not run away from. Others will go into the future.... and if you keep
    not following them you will be made obsolete and die.

    enviorment friendly ? Where did you get the values from? Big Oil? So far batteries are regularly
    outlasting their life expectancy very significantly... just look at the prices for
    used electric cars. Meanwhile the electric drive train is literally unkillable:

    https://twitter.com/tesla/status/1051911793373638661

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpkcXP9UcAARjm1.jpg


    How many ICE do you see driving arround above 200000 km? 300000 km?





    Generously assuming that this is actually CO2 neutral, it still doesnt solve the problem of toxix ehaust fumes and the terrible efficiency of ICE overall but particularly in city driving... which is very bad because an increasing percentage and number of humans live in cities.

    Which is a nice idea, although I am not sure if I want to sit on a bomb like that.


    I understand that you love your clunker. But for most people a car is a way to get from A to B. Look at the diesel boom.... diesels are great ICEs but they they not exaclty known for sporty sounds. On worse news... for the younger generation cars are increasingly less of a status symbol.

     
  7. eefoids

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    EVs do not make a great sound, ive been in an electric car and when you floor it its just a RC car style whine,

    "for the younger generation cars are increasingly less of a status symbol" <- kinda wrong as i know so many people who are younger and are incredibly proud of what they drive,
    what do you drive?

    "How many ICE do you see driving arround above 200000 km? 300000 km?" <- i know of a few over that including a R50 mini on around 305k km and a Superb TDI on 450k km

     
  8. default0.0player

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    Big polluters are industrialists, not everyday consumers like us. ICE cars produce far less pollutants than chemical factories. Electric cars are cheaper to produce, but they sell a higher price, thanks to the advocations of greenies. Lower cost and higher price means bigger net profits. I understand that some people would like to buy EVs because of electric powertrain are cheaper to use and maintain. They can save more if thay wait until EVs sell as cheap as ICEVs.
    In the future, when EVs can run 1000km per charge, it is the people who buy EVs earlier the biggest victims, not ICEV users.
    China has limited oil resources and abundant coal resources. Enviormental protection is one of the reasons why Chinese government advocate EVs, but the main reason is that oil is a strategic resource.

    Of course EVs have lots of advantages such as better handling, lower noise, able to "refuel" at home etc. But I won't buy them until they are as cheap as ICEVs of the same class.

    For crash safety, it depends on cars. EVs run at a lower temp than ICE, so they are less likely to catch fire after a crash. However due to the possibility of electrical fault, some of them may catch fire when parked, especially vehicles that A/C always on (Tesla motors always use AC to maintain battery temp at about 20-25°C). Lots of cheap EV manufacture use inefficient motors and heavy bulky battery pack to get the same range, they crash poorly because their crumple-zone used up far before decelerated to zero speed.

    Poor handling of the eSBR is because of this problem, it's very hard to control engine power.
     
  9. eefoids

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    totally agree, the ESBR needs a better traction control system that doesnt jerk about and cut power at random, also needs a better diff with torque vectoring
     
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  10. mxer125

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    Can't wait to save the world with this!
     
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