Update Speculation thread

Maybe we could have a lore-version of Plymouth

 

As in Plymouth Rock

 

Considering the focus of content is shifting towards racing, it would be cool if some more vehicles got a purpose-built racing configuration, for example, the Bruckell Bastion, Bruckell Moonhawk, and the Gavril Barstow could get stock car variants with unique liveries, and even the MD-Series and T-Series could get a similar treatment with aerodynamic body panels and spoilers.

 

I think a modern Bruckell pickup truck would be cool for this game. I mean, they have the powertrain for it, which they could use the Bastion powertrain.

 

I think the Bruckell pickup should be named the Bruckell Everest

 

I agree, and I would also like to add that most midsize pickup trucks like the Nissan Frontier/Navara/NP300, Toyota Hilux, and Ford Ranger have gasoline and diesel inline-4, inline-6, and V6 engines, which the D-Series doesn't have. This is why the four-cylinder Chevrolet Silverado has a turbocharger, because it won't have enough torque for such a big truck if it's naturally aspirated.

 

A Mazda Repu or Datsun like truck would be cool >.> small pick up trucks like these had a decent following in some countries. a foreign I4/V6 pick up truck would be cool

 

Unfortunately for the Bastion, modern stock cars (since Gen 4 in the early 90s) have a streamlined body shape distinct from any of their production counterparts. V8 Supercars would probably be a better fit, though that'd depend on whether the Bastion was sold down under lorewise.

 

We'll probably get a new Euro/Japanese vehicle soon enough - the devs tend to do a couple US cars, then a Euro/Japanse car in between. For reference, since 0.9, the new-vehicle releases have been as such:

-US: Wentward (0.12), Bluebuck (0.17), Wendover (0.22), Bastion (0.24.1), SPs/Autobuggy (0.27), Lansdale (0.29), MD-Series (0.33), Nine (0.34)
-Europe: Piccolina (0.15), FCV (0.19), Scintilla (0.25), Wydra/Stambecco (0.27)
-Japan: Hopper (0.9), Wigeon (0.23), Aurata (0.30)

However, we've also been getting many more market variations of vehicles over the years, such as the EUDM Sunburst and Lansdale, JDM Covet and BX, and USDM Bolide. These market variations are good ways of adding more market representations to the game without having to model new cars - which would save a lot of development time and maintenance.

As for the modern Bruckell pickup truck...I still don't know if it would happen anytime soon (if ever), but for slightly different reasons. While yes, we now have a third wagon with the Sunburst remaster, it's a compact wagon. The 800-Series and LeGran are mid-size wagons. That could mean we get a Miramar wagon when that gets remastered, since that's also classified as a compact car. Gabe mentioned a while ago that there were too many FF sedans in the game (hence why he turned the Wendover into a coupe). If we break down the vehicles by derby class/powertrain/body style, the Wendover is the only vehicle of its type (whereas there are already three mid-size FF sedans).

The Nine's classified as a full-size car, whereas the D-Series is classified as a medium truck, so by official terms, they don't overlap. However, the MD-Series (which has pickup variants) is also classified as a medium truck. And unlike the MD-Series, a new Bruckell pickup wouldn't have the advantage of re-using so many parts from other vehicles. It'd only be able to re-use the engines from the Bastion. While we have been getting a lot more modern cars in the past few years, they've all been passenger cars (like the FCV and Bastion) or specialized off-roaders (like the Dunekicker and Wydra), which would have far fewer frames to maintain than a modern Bruckell truck.

I think this post that I brought up last time we had this discussion shows where the devs' priorities lie at the moment (emphasis mine):

The MD-Series does a lot for the vehicle roster (and could do even more), while being (relatively) simple to develop and maintain. The delays for 0.33 were mostly on the T-Series side, according to the post I linked. I feel like a Centurion-style H-Series pickup would be more likely than a modern Bruckell truck, since most of the parts for that are already in the game. It'd only need one or two new frames (if even that), compared to the six-ten frames for a modern truck. And it'd add an interesting alternative to the D-Series that would also expand Kentarch as a brand. That probably wouldn't be anytime soon, but I could definitely see the devs wanting to add that in a future trucking update.

One interesting thing about the current derby class system is that the Hopper and K-Series are in their own classes (light truck and sports car, respectively), and I doubt those are oversights, so we could be getting another light truck or sports car in the future.

Spoiler: Derby Class/Powertrain/Body Style

-Sub-Compact (Car) RR Sedan: Piccolina
-Sub-Compact (Car) FF/MR Hatchback: Covet
-Sub-Compact MR Pickup: Pigeon
-Sub-Compact MR Coupe: Wigeon

-Compact FF Sedan: Sunburst
-Compact FR Sedan: Miramar
-Compact FF Wagon: Sunburst
-Compact FF Hatchback: FCV
-Compact FR Coupe/Liftback: BX
-Compact RR Shooting Brake: SBR

-Light Truck F-4WD SUV: Hopper

-Mid-Size FF Sedan: '88 Pessima/'96 Pessima/LeGran
-Mid-Size FR Sedan: 800 Series/I-Series
-Mid-Size FF Coupe: Wendover
-Mid-Size FR Coupe: Moonhawk/Barstow
-Mid-Size MR Coupe: Bolide/Scintilla
-Mid-Size FF Minivan: Lansdale

-Sports Car FR Coupe: K-Series

-Full-Size FR Sedan: Bastion/Nine/Bluebuck/Grand Marshal/Special
-Full-Size FR Coupe: Nine
-Full-Size FR Pickup: Nine
-Full-Size FR Van: Nine
-Full-Size FR Roadster: Nine

-Medium Truck FR Pickup: D-Series/Dunekicker/MD-Series
-Medium Truck F-4WD Pickup: Stambecco
-Medium Truck FR Van: H-Series
-Medium Truck F-4WD Van: Stambecco
-Medium Truck FR SUV: Roamer
-Medium Truck F-4WD SUV: Charro (it's not classified as such officially (it's still a pickup, like the D-Series), although I suspect that's an oversight)
-Medium Truck FR Chassis Cab (and associated upfits): D-Series/MD-Series

-Heavy Truck FR Chassis Cab (and associated upfits): T-Series
-Heavy Truck RR Bus: Wentward

-None F-4x4/8x8 ATV: Wydra
-None M-4WD Buggy: Aurata/Rockbasher

 

I wouldn’t know, those kinds of trucks have been tariffed in my country since the 70’s.

 

Classic America, making you miss out on some peak automobiles.

 

For the record, we ALMOST got the Holden Ute as a Pontiac, but then they got shot down by the financial crisis, and unlike the guy that introduced the Sport Truck at the New York Auto Show, Pontiac didn’t get back up.

 

Yeah it's really unfortunate how close America was to getting our utes, just for everything to get fucked up last minute. Also Holden making Pontiacs would give more of a reason to keep Holden.

 

I mean yeah, just look at what happened to the entirety of Holden after the Chevy SS (VF Commodore my beloved) was killed off due to poor sales.

 

I find it sad they couldn't crack the market over there, because they sold extremely well over here.

 

Which would also not be that unrealistic cause just saying there was an GT Mustang back in the day would be perfect for the Bastion:
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Also a GT 3 Version of the Bastion would be cool:

 

It would've actually been on brand for Pontiac to sell a Ute, because GM decided to make Pontiac sell all of their quirky cars in the 2000s. It would've definitely fit in with their lineup at the time of closure.

 

I am actually wondering if BeamNG could do a vehicle based off a Pontiac vehicle (like the Pontiac Solstice or the Pontiac Vibe)

 

We would need a 2 door version to fit IRL GT3 regulations/typical practice (not necessarily a Challenger type car, as nice as that would be, just a 2 door Bastion). The most similar GT3 cars are the 6-Series and the Continental.

That being said, we certainly could see something more extreme than the hotlap special we have now. Maybe something like this build or a NOMI hill climb car (which would be a pig compared to the ones we have, but that is part of the fun)

 

100% There’s 3 cars really suited for GT3 and that’s the scintilla, K series, and SBR4 and we have a mod for one (and it’s pretty good). Really hoping the devs can lean into the hardcore race variants. And a two door American sports car would be a good addition and candidate for a racer. And it would make 4 distinct choices for races (us, Japan, German, Italian)