I'd personally stay away from anything older than 2000. Some people are forgetting that all the cars he listed are over 20 years old, these cars are beyond their practical age and are susceptible to all sorts of failures.
my car is 24 years old. Its not susceptible to "all sorts of failures" just normal wear items. Old cars are aight
all cars are susceptible to all sorts of failures. a 60,000 mile car from 2000 is just about to hit a major service interval, usually needing things like timing belt changes, suspension work, belts, valves, spark plugs, etc. if the previous owner(s) did not keep up with basic car maintenance, you're in for quite a surprise when the engine seizes, the clutch fails out, or a belt snaps and destroys who knows what. a 20 year old 160,000 mile car has likely been decently well taken care of if it has gotten past its major service intervals and is still in running order. of course you'd want to keep an extra watchful eye over all maintenance items, but it could very easily fit the general definition of 'reliable' - more so than a car from the 2000's. besides, buying a car that will break - but not catastrophically so - is an important learning experience. edit: of course, i'm biased here considering that my car is older than I am. needs new tierod ends, has a very minor vacuum leak, but starts every time and runs great.
get a bicycle... dont support an industry aiming to destroy our world for profit, be free from taxes, insurance and gasoline prices while not getting lazy and fat. sry i hate cars
then why are you here? considering this is a forum for a VEHICLE simulator (which includes cars) and i imagine quite a few people here are car fans/enthusiasts as well (myself included)
to me this aint about cars, its about n/b technology... to quote myself: i would play this, if it was about soft-body barbie dolls. and why tell non-car enthusiasts how bad cars actually are... they knoooooooow.
True but some older cars are a lot easier to work on and can be just as reliable. It really depends on the particular vehicle. Wait, what? "dont support an industry aiming to destroy our world for profit". I'm in the auto industry and I'm just trying to make ends meet, what is all of this destroy the world for profit stuff all about? A bike is a good idea (I ride one regularly) but come on, a car is going to be far more practical in many situations like for long distances and during inclement weather. I get your point you are here for the tech, not the cars, but there are a lot of people here that do like cars (I would bet that the majority of people here like cars) and really in it's current form, it is pretty much a driving game. So please be respectful to those of us who do like cars. Many of us here "knoooooooow" that there are down sides to cars (emissions, safety, ect.), but that is not going to stop us from using them and liking them.
i dunno why i want a 4x4 i will probabolay end up doing all the family grocery runs and the rear seats fold down for more boot space and why am i getting a car from the 90s? because they aint got a bazillion computers in them that can go KAPOOYA at any moment
This is why it is really important to have your car inspected by a trusted mechanic, yes it's going to cost some money but it can save you huge in the long run. There were a lot of great and reliable cars built in the 90's, many can be purchased for much less than a similar car built in the 2000's. It is almost always far cheaper to replace things like water pumps, serpentine belts, timing belts, radiators, mufflers, and many other things that tend to go bad on older cars then it is to replace a computer. It is also harder to tell if a computer is going bad until it fails. Sometimes it gives you little or no warning. Be sure to check maintenance records (if the seller didn't keep any thats a bad sign) also you probable don't want to get anything higher than like 120k or so miles. Personally I think a car from the 90's or early 00's would be the best buy for a new driver. (if of course you get the car inspected and the car has a reputation of quality) You can save your money for a nicer/newer can in the future. Some brands I personally would be looking for would be: Honda: they built some great quality cars, watch out for auto transmissions on some cars thou, they tend to go bad Toyota: Our company van has over 350k on it and is still going strong, never required any serious maintenance. Look out thou Toyota did make some lemons, so do some research Some GM: although they made there fair share of crap, they also built some very built proof cars that can be serviced easily, and are very affordable Brands I would avoid: Most GM Most Ford Virtually any Chrysler Product (Plymouth, Jeep, Dodge, Eagle) Most Hyundai
get one of the older rear motor rwd vw bugs they last forever, they are cheap, the parts are cheap, they are great cars, and you can do near anything to them - - - Updated - - -
If you live in a decent neighborhood, get a cabrio! I just bought an Opel Astra F cabrio (they are cheap in europe) and it is absolutely nice, and ppl know that opels are cheap as fuck so (i hope) noone will fuck my car up just because it is a cabrio, and they think I'm a rich douchebag
"may I get an explanation why considering gm has near all of its crap cars now rather in the 80's/90's" I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but from my experience as a mechanic GM is making better cars now than they did in the 80's and 90's, although we must wait and see if the new engines are as "built proof" as some of them from the 90's. I like how GM isn't going as modular as some of the Japanese brands are. What I mean by modular is that certain things like the transmission for example is a completely and permanently closed unit, it can't be opened up for repair nor does it even have a dip stick or drain plug. This means that the whole transmission must be replaced instead of being repaired. Like I said currently this is being done more by Japanese manufacturers than American manufacturers, but I imagine the American manufacturers will eventually make there cars more "modular" as well. "fords are great reasonably cheap, and easy to service cars" How much experience do you have working on Ford's? I mean more than just oil change and spark plugs, things like head gaskets, engine swaps, wiring, Spring and shock replacement ect. I have done just about all that stuff on a verity of different makes and models of vehicles and Fords have been some of the hardest on average. They do not rank high on my personal easy to work on list. Although now that I think about it Fords from the 90's and early 00's aren't really that bad, but most of the new ones are a nightmare . I have met a lot of mechanics over the years (although bear in mind I'm still a bit of a Green-Horn) relatives, employees of the shop, random people, other shop owners, and teachers at auto tech school, they all find Fords (at least the newer ones mostly) to be a pain to work on. And these new Eco-Boost engines are trash, don't even get me started . Although like I said an older Ford isn't that bad and could certainly make a decent car, but would I ever recommend a Ford over a similar Toyota or Honda, no, not this decade at least. Ford does sell a lot of cars and they are inexpensive, but believe me they make that money back through repairs. "my family has a '95 lebaron with more miles on it then most cars would last and the lebaron has kept on running like a champ no major issues" Great to hear , good maintenance can keep any car running for many many miles. The LeBaron wasn't an awful car, the NA V-6's and some of the 4 cylinders were the better engines, but a lot of owners didn't have as much luck as your family, they were known for some issues, mostly engine problems. "the only one I agree on it Hyundai" yep no arguing there. "jeeps are perfectly fine" Jeeps are in our shop all the time, usually with some sort of drive train problem. Jeep 4x4 SUV's seem to be the worst as we don't see too many Wranglers. These SUV's usually leak everything from everywhere (not an encouraging sign of quality) and I see a lot of them with bad differentials. Blower motor seems to go out a lot on these Jeeps, and the Blower motor is a pain to get at on most models. If you want a 4WD winter car get a Subaru, not a Jeep Cherokee or Compass. "dodges are excellent cars" I'm getting tired of writing....... lets just say there ok Really it depends on the model. I've got to admit I like Dodge, especially the vintage stuff. We had a 68 Charger in the shop a wile back and that thing was a BEAST! "eagle I cant say much about but I know the talon tsi is good" Again they were ok, my uncle had one and he got 200k+ out of it, but the brand was usually not known for quality in general.
