0.21 Discussion thread | Use Safe Mode before reporting

So, I looked into it and I found that if I use the brake temp debug, I can see which wheel is locking up - for me, it's the rear inside (tested using eSBR 300 at 25 mph cruise control, tapping right or left rather quickly to maintain steering angle moderately, and also simply turning right or left at 19 mph cruise control (which translates to 16 mph with the brake locked up)) Is this the same problem you're having?

 

Yes, except the brake locks up and grinds the car to a full stop. It happens between 10 and 20 mph almost exclusively.

 

Okay, for me (on gridmap, with eSBR 300) I accelerate and turn right or left (keyboard, so full throttle/steering) and while the inner rear wheel locks up, it only leads me to a partial handbrake turn that repeats over and over. The locked wheel starts at 19 mph and lets go at 6 mph. Can anyone besides us replicate this?
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Correction: left is affected worse than right. Right has a higher frequency of short bursts that don't slow down the car as badly (from 20 mph to 14 mph).

 

If it helps, I'm using an FFB wheel. Here's another video since nobody seems to believe me. Is there even a reason for the ESC to be engaged at speeds this slow, much less at full brake force?

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I see what you're referring to now, I was on the wrong path as my keyboard lends me to poorer driving. I too tested in safe mode with no mods, the ETK Kc4t (A) in comfort mode on gridmap, and I also found that at low steering angles (30-50%) and roughly 20 mph, coasting, in drive, the ESC brakes the inside front wheel, exactly as you described.

 

I've been experiencing the same thing with the ESC system for quite awhile. Upon aggressive driving, I found that the ESC wants to brake on a singular wheel and continue braking until the car came to a halt. A very frustrating experience driving a car with ESC enabled.

 

Sometimes when im trying to drive with the sbr4 and esbr, the traction control freaks out and doesnt even let me move from a standstill. even on normal roads with the steering straight.

 

BUG REPORT


@vmlinuz
@Nadeox1

I can replicate. Windows 10, Game in Safe Mode, using a keyboard only to drive.

Now this is fascinating. At 20 mp/h having a certain steering angle input indeed causes unintended persisting ECS braking.This does not happen at maximum steering angle... only at lower values. Which might explain why keyboard users like me didnt get it because you are pretty unlikely to be in this particular speed and steering angle with a keyboard.

And it is still odd..... ESC bugging out like that does occasionally happen... hard cornering at comparable low speeds and in particular when going uphill had me have a similar issue when the brakes stay active longer than they should and also the engine torque being reduced to almost zero until you fully let go the throttle for a moment and then reapply it.

What I dont get @vmlinuz is that it happens for you all the time even when "regular" driving. Can you replicate the issue in "regular" driving when only using a keyboard and disconnecting your steering wheel from the computer? Because the game is far from unplayable for me and appearantly many others so there still has to be something that makes it particular horrible for you.

@Nadeox1 I see a high probability that this bug is also responsible for this occasional ESC issue.

When trying to replicate this bug I managed to create precisly the same situation as described above. ESC "locking up" and engine torque being reduced to almost zero:

Here is a video (it is not listed on youtube)

At first I try to replicate vmlinuz issue which I can. The vehicle however recovers for me once you stop giving steering input.

Then I accelerate the car to much higher speeds and then trigger the ESC which works as expected.

Finally I use the handbrake to trigger a serious skid and while ESC brings it under control too, it triggers the very bug:

Brakes disengage fully but engine torque remains extremly limited, causing the vehicle to stay at 8mp/h besides technically being with the pedal on the metal. Appearantly the ESC reduces engine torque drastically and as such even with the brakes fully disengaged, the vehicle cannot accelerate anymore.

Only when fully releasing the throttle.... the system appearantly resets and as such the car behaves normally after that.

 

I thought it was just me, I just disregarded it thinking it was a mod conflict. Happens to me on definetly the ETKs, cant remember if the vivace has it too. I use a wheel if that helps. Lower speeds or certain steering angles the ESC acts up and eventually locks the throttle up until I let go.

 

BUG REPORT

Scenario Gravity Fuel is impossible to do. Probably caused by the wheel physic changes.

 

Why? Because the ESC misinterpret as oversteer opposite lock.
For example left turning at mph, ESC believed that vehicle is in a right turn oversteering you turn left is as countersteer, thus it brakes the inner(in this case left) in the front wheel.

But Diamondback said my guess was wrong.

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Also the old ESC bug: Traction Control 2WD better than 4WD

In this video (at 14:56) The UAZ Patriot 4WD is better than 2WD and ESC on is better than ESC off, 4WD w/ESC is better than 2WD w/ESC

 

Suggestion: move the interior camera in the I series farther back.

 

You can easily customize your camera position in the options. Just enable adjustable seat position and move you camera around.

 

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this is just down to how damage is handled in the game, there's nothing that can be done about it. Clipping happen on most if not all vehicles

 

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You know, sometimes people dont work weekends (valentines weekend at that).

 

Do you ever stop complaining?

I get that you might be unhappy about certain game issues (that are mostly minor and honestly not worth making a rant about IMO) but you can't just say that the devs are ignoring you or not addressing bugs, treating them as mod-caused issues, etc.

BeamNG.drive is still an early access game, like it or not. By using this early access alpha version, you are aware that you will encounter bugs despite the game looking somewhat "finished". This also means that your rants are useless and make you look extremely childish.

To add to that, the developers are not ignoring you. I believe Nadeox said before that even if your report doesn't get "acknowledged" by an answer or a like or an agree rating, it is still being sent to their internal ticket system. That means that even if tdev himself doesn't reply with "yes thank you we have acknowledged your bug report" to your essay-worth bug report, it is still being acknowledged internally and will be addressed. The devs also aren't gods and can only work on a certain number of things at once, especially since their main goal is to get the game out of early access by adding more gameplay features and other "cosmetic" stuff. Bug fixing generally comes last on their to-do list, unless it's a major game-breaking bug, which isn't the case with literally everything you report.

I'm sure the devs are aware of the ESC bug as it's literally the only thing mentioned for multiple pages on this thread. Fixing bugs isn't always easy, especially considering the ESC system is extremely complex.

Now if you could stop creating conspiracy theories out of thin air, I'm sure people would be more likely to listen to what you are saying.